Tory party members happy to destroy the UK to get Brexit

[original PM]

yes, and there are probably many in the same position now. So the EU hasn't been of any benefit to them.

It has been said that if all the World's wealth were equally distributed between everyone alive at a certain time, then after a year, there would still be billionaires and sickeningly poor people. This is aptly demonstrated by those who have won the lottery, or similar, and are virtually bankrupt some years later.

No you do not understand.

The EU has been a benefit to everyone.

And if you do not believe that we shall send you for re-education.

There is no discussion, there is no argument.

[WTFH]

"and show more support for the axis powers than for the allies"

like Jeremy Corbyn, who shows support for those who the UK would consider to be potential enemies, like "our friends in Hamas" etc

No, I was thinking more like those who claim that "studies have been done that all poor people deserve to be poor and just need to accept it" or whatever it is that you are spouting today.

[JohntheBike]

There's no contention about it, it was cheaper. There were council houses, most rented properties weren't privately owned. Going to university didn't require a loan, in fact you were given a grant. Kids got free school meals. etc. The EU didn't change any of that.



Companies were sold to shareholders. Shareholders demand profits and generally aren't interested in money being invested in "manufacturing", so sell off and outsource to the cheapest option to keep the shareholders happy and to make sure the funds are there for the pension pots of the board.

Perhaps the pining is for Victorian days, when women didn't vote, etc. Or maybe it's the idea of harking back to "The War" by people who didn't fight in it and show more support for the axis powers than for the allies.

"and show more support for the axis powers than for the allies"

like Jeremy Corbyn, who shows support for those who the UK would consider to be potential enemies, like "our friends in Hamas" etc

[darmstadt]

"it will be the end of the UK"


Some old fart gammon tosh

Well guess what, get back in your time machine and **** off back there then...

[BlasterBates]

Pre EU - Glaswegian residents enjoying themselves doing the laundry :

[darmstadt]

Tossers...

Talked to a Tory MP last night who was backing Johnson
"Do you think he'd be any good as PM"
"No"
"What on earth will he do about Brexit"?
"No one knows"
"Why do you want him, then?"
"He's the best hope we've got"
"By 'we" you don't mean Britain do you?"
"No the party, of course"

[JohntheBike]

Aye life in the UK before the EU, look forward to it.

yes, and there are probably many in the same position now. So the EU hasn't been of any benefit to them.

It has been said that if all the World's wealth were equally distributed between everyone alive at a certain time, then after a year, there would still be billionaires and sickeningly poor people. This is aptly demonstrated by those who have won the lottery, or similar, and are virtually bankrupt some years later.

[BlasterBates]

"it will be the end of the UK"

there was a time you know, when the UK wasn't a member of the EU. Way back then, a 22 year old could afford a mortgage to buy a reasonable property based entirely on their own salary and have only 20 years to repay. A deposit of 10% was required and 2.5 times the major income provider's salary could be borrowed. How many young people would be happy to be in this position now? It is my contention that the essentials of living were cheaper in relation to incomes than they are now.

Many UK manufactured goods, and they are few and far between now, were considerably cheaper than EU manufactured goods. Yes, our consumer goods are cheaper in relation to incomes than they were, but in the early 1960's a Jaguar MK2 was cheaper than some run of the mill Renault cars. Lesser UK made cars were considerably cheaper than EU offerings.

Many more jobs were secure for much longer than they are today. Ford employed thousands in the UK and they built UK home market cars here in the UK, which they don't do now. Many will claim that our cars were inferior quality to EU built examples, but I've always contended that price will always be the major factor in sales volumes. Look at the success of Dacia cars. I wouldn't say they come up to the quality levels of equivalent UK built cars, but nevertheless, they are selling like hot cakes because they are so cheap. I can't ever see us returning entirely to those days now, but there are surely many who are hoping we might.

Aye life in the UK before the EU, look forward to it.

[WTFH]

"it will be the end of the UK"

there was a time you know, when the UK wasn't a member of the EU. Way back then, a 22 year old could afford a mortgage to buy a reasonable property based entirely on their own salary and have only 20 years to repay. A deposit of 10% was required and 2.5 times the major income provider's salary could be borrowed. How many young people would be happy to be in this position now? It is my contention that the essentials of living were cheaper in relation to incomes than they are now.

There's no contention about it, it was cheaper. There were council houses, most rented properties weren't privately owned. Going to university didn't require a loan, in fact you were given a grant. Kids got free school meals. etc. The EU didn't change any of that.

Many UK manufactured goods, and they are few and far between now, were considerably cheaper than EU manufactured goods. Yes, our consumer goods are cheaper in relation to incomes than they were, but in the early 1960's a Jaguar MK2 was cheaper than some run of the mill Renault cars. Lesser UK made cars were considerably cheaper than EU offerings.

Many more jobs were secure for much longer than they are today. Ford employed thousands in the UK and they built UK home market cars here in the UK, which they don't do now. Many will claim that our cars were inferior quality to EU built examples, but I've always contended that price will always be the major factor in sales volumes. Look at the success of Dacia cars. I wouldn't say they come up to the quality levels of equivalent UK built cars, but nevertheless, they are selling like hot cakes because they are so cheap. I can't ever see us returning entirely to those days now, but there are surely many who are hoping we might.

Companies were sold to shareholders. Shareholders demand profits and generally aren't interested in money being invested in "manufacturing", so sell off and outsource to the cheapest option to keep the shareholders happy and to make sure the funds are there for the pension pots of the board.

Perhaps the pining is for Victorian days, when women didn't vote, etc. Or maybe it's the idea of harking back to "The War" by people who didn't fight in it and show more support for the axis powers than for the allies.

[JohntheBike]

I don't see Nigel getting in No.10, sure Brexit party got the most votes on the EU elections, but it's a bit different then GE, even then 31% doesn't get him majority to form a government and he will be hard pressed finding coalition partner. More likely outcome is resurgence of LibDem taking the majority of Remain vote and a LibDem/SNP pro-remain coalition, that is if Brexit doesn't happen before GE

Neither the Tories, nor Labor have a chance at majority government any time soon. Too much of the "hard brexit" and "hard remain" votes are siphoned to Brexit party and LibDems

If Brexit actually happens before the next GE (especially no-deal Brexit) it will be the end of the UK. Scotish indie2 and turmoils in NI will be the end of it.

"it will be the end of the UK"

there was a time you know, when the UK wasn't a member of the EU. Way back then, a 22 year old could afford a mortgage to buy a reasonable property based entirely on their own salary and have only 20 years to repay. A deposit of 10% was required and 2.5 times the major income provider's salary could be borrowed. How many young people would be happy to be in this position now? It is my contention that the essentials of living were cheaper in relation to incomes than they are now.

Many UK manufactured goods, and they are few and far between now, were considerably cheaper than EU manufactured goods. Yes, our consumer goods are cheaper in relation to incomes than they were, but in the early 1960's a Jaguar MK2 was cheaper than some run of the mill Renault cars. Lesser UK made cars were considerably cheaper than EU offerings.

Many more jobs were secure for much longer than they are today. Ford employed thousands in the UK and they built UK home market cars here in the UK, which they don't do now. Many will claim that our cars were inferior quality to EU built examples, but I've always contended that price will always be the major factor in sales volumes. Look at the success of Dacia cars. I wouldn't say they come up to the quality levels of equivalent UK built cars, but nevertheless, they are selling like hot cakes because they are so cheap. I can't ever see us returning entirely to those days now, but there are surely many who are hoping we might.