Who needs food anyway?

[WTFH]

If we decide to change the rules we can remove that....

I am confused - so I assume these lorries will come with the same paperwork they come with now - e.g. they must have some sort of bill of lading.

Why would we want to make it more complicated after we left?

Quoting for posterity.

You’ve not been involved in much international business trade outside the EU, have you?

[meridian]

If we decide to change the rules we can remove that....

I am confused - so I assume these lorries will come with the same paperwork they come with now - e.g. they must have some sort of bill of lading.

Why would we want to make it more complicated after we left?

FFS. Because we are leaving the single market, we are introducing additional complications!

[original PM]

Quoting for posterity.

You’ve not been involved in much international business trade outside the EU, have you?

Well interestingly enough yes - I used to work for a bonded clutch warehouse

we imported from Japan/Korea

then sold to

the uk - so needed to add vat and duty

EU countries - so just needed to add duty

Non Eu countries - if I recall they paid minimal duty but it varied.

But either way there was a process which required filing paperwork for the UK, the EU and non EU countries.

So I guess in the future they would need to have a process for the UK, the EU and non EU countries....


Hmmmmm so ok where is the difference in paperwork?

[WTFH]

Who needs food anyway?

Well interestingly enough yes - I used to work for a bonded clutch warehouse

we imported from Japan/Korea

then sold to

the uk - so needed to add vat and duty

EU countries - so just needed to add duty

Non Eu countries - if I recall they paid minimal duty but it varied.

But either way there was a process which required filing paperwork for the UK, the EU and non EU countries.

So I guess in the future they would need to have a process for the UK, the EU and non EU countries....


Hmmmmm so ok where is the difference in paperwork?

You worked in a BONDED warehouse.

Do you know what a bonded warehouse is, and how that compares with non-bonded?

Do you know the difference between duty and customs?

[meridian]

But either way there was a process which required filing paperwork for the UK, the EU and non EU countries.

So I guess in the future they would need to have a process for the EU and non EU countries (which now includes the UK)....


Hmmmmm so ok where is the difference in paperwork?

FTFY. Do you see the difference now?

[original PM]

You worked in a BONDED warehouse.

Do you know what a bonded warehouse is, and how that compares with non-bonded?

Do you know the difference between duty and customs?

Yes we did not have to declare the duty and taxes until the goods left the warehouse - and we only had to declare it and pay it based on the final destination of the goods.

Now interestingly - I am guessing that there will still be three options - which are final destination is UK - so pay relevant and duty and taxes, where final destination is EU pay relevant duties and taxes and where final destination is outside of EU and UK pay relevant duties and taxes

The actual paperwork will not change - maybe if we end up negotiating trade deals with the individual member of the EU rather than having 27 countries under an 'EU' scheme we may have to identify each of those 27 individually but not a big issue really.

But I guess we would never trade directly with any country in the EU on different terms than any other country in the EU - I assume that's how it is supposed to work anyway?

But either way the point is the amount of 'paperwork' required to get the job done does not really seem to change.

[meridian]

Yes we did not have to declare the duty and taxes until the goods left the warehouse - and we only had to declare it and pay it based on the final destination of the goods.

Now interestingly - I am guessing that there will still be three options - which are final destination is UK - so pay relevant and duty and taxes, where final destination is EU pay relevant duties and taxes and where final destination is outside of EU and UK pay relevant duties and taxes

The actual paperwork will not change - maybe if we end up negotiating trade deals with the individual member of the EU rather than having 27 countries under an 'EU' scheme we may have to identify each of those 27 individually but not a big issue really.

But I guess we would never trade directly with any country in the EU on different terms than any other country in the EU - I assume that's how it is supposed to work anyway?

But either way the point is the amount of 'paperwork' required to get the job done does not really seem to change.

You're comparing oranges and apples, your example is of a company that is delivering goods from a warehouse in the UK. What we are talking about is the (small) increase in paperwork for companies importing into the UK, and specifically for those companies that are currently in the EU that will be exporting from the EU to the UK.

There is currently a different set of paperwork required for importing into the UK from non-EU countries as there is for importing from the EU. When the UK leaves the EU, ALL countries (including those in the EU) will now need to use the paperwork for importing from non-EU countries.

Let me put it another way for you: when you buy something from Germany, it's put in the post and sent to you. Minimal paperwork. When you buy something from the USA, it comes in with a customs declaration and some additional import paperwork. When we leave the EU, all imports will need the additional customs declarations and import paperwork, regardless of where they come from.

[shaunbhoy]

There is currently a different set of paperwork required for importing into the UK from non-EU countries as there is for importing from the EU. When the UK leaves the EU, ALL countries (including those in the EU) will now need to use the paperwork for importing from non-EU countries.

Indeed, but the format and templates for this paperwork is already well established, so the amount of upheaval need only be minimal for both parties.
It would simply be a case of removing the UK from the list of countries that require next to no paperwork and adding them to the existing list of countries that DO require this paperwork.
It is hardly the showstopper that some are trying to paint it.

[meridian]

Indeed, but the format and templates for this paperwork is already well established, so the amount of upheaval need only be minimal for both parties.
It would simply be a case of removing the UK from the list of countries that require next to no paperwork and adding them to the existing list of countries that DO require this paperwork.
It is hardly the showstopper that some are trying to paint it.

Nobody said it was a showstopper. It's a small increase in paperwork.

The issue is in the scale - one extra minute per lorry to check that all papers are in order, multiplied by 5000 trucks per day.

Calais have already said that they will work on an "honesty" basis, they will not check any export paperwork and will only ask the UK-bound lorries if they have the correct UK paperwork - a "yes" gets them onto the ferry, no additional checks at their end (as requested by the UK). Of course, it's completely up to the UK whether or not it checks the paperwork once the lorries arrive.

[northernladuk]

Watching the news about the possible food shortages post no deal Brexit.
The report is clearly London based as the first two items highlighted with threatened supply were lettuce and tomatoes.
I could sense the whole north of England shrugging it’s shoulders.