Ireland to enforce a hard border

[Whorty]

No, that is not the assumption at all.

The EU has a schedule of tariffs lodged with the WTO that set out that tariffs on lamb from third countries with no other agreement is 40%.

When lamb from the UK is sent to the EU (whether this is from NI or from Wales or the Highlands) the importing tariff will be 40%.

If lamb from NI/Wales is now too expensive to import into the EU, then it will simply be purchased from elsewhere.




Ireland can source any excess lamb from other EU states at 0%, or import from NZ, Australia, etc at reduced rates.





There's no punishment or spite, just the cold reality of tariff schedules and the UK being a third country. Nothing abstract about it - in fact, this is the opposite of abstract, it's written down on schedules lodged with the WTO.

It's so scary that these idiots argue for a WTO brexit, then when faced with the reality of WTO they blame the EU. The mind boggles how little is understood, yet they think WTO is the way to go. They really will believe in any old guff they hear from Boris, Moggy and the rest of their demi-gods.

[original PM]

And some info

Sheepmeat and goatmeat | Agriculture and rural development

Lets hope there is a continued need for heavy lambs...

[meridian]

And some info

Sheepmeat and goatmeat | Agriculture and rural development

Lets hope there is a continued need for heavy lambs...

I'm sure there will be. And I'm also sure that that will be taken into account whenever the negotiations for any future FTA or Bilateral is discussed, however many years away that may be.

In the meantime, tariffs on those lambs will be 40%.

[GreenMirror]

I'm sure there will be. And I'm also sure that that will be taken into account whenever the negotiations for any future FTA or Bilateral is discussed, however many years away that may be.

In the meantime, tariffs on those lambs will be 40%.

Lamb will come from NZ. A disgrace the UK their backs on them in 1975.

[original PM]

I'm sure there will be. And I'm also sure that that will be taken into account whenever the negotiations for any future FTA or Bilateral is discussed, however many years away that may be.

In the meantime, tariffs on those lambs will be 40%.

Unless it is not.....

Do the good people of Eire want to pay an extra 40% for their lambs?

Do the good people of NI want the good people of Eire to pay an extra 40% for their lambs?

So who does then?

A bunch of bureaucrats in Brussels who use that money to feather their own nest?

I mean what are the EU going to do if those guys do a deal and refuse to pay the 40% tariff?

Call in the Auditors to go through the EU accounts with a fine tooth comb?

I think not.

[WTFH]

Unless it is not.....

Do the good people of Eire want to pay an extra 40% for their lambs?

Do the good people of NI want the good people of Eire to pay an extra 40% for their lambs?

So who does then?

Nothing to do with the EU, it's the WTO - it's what you want.
You voted for it, you keep harping on about it, you need to learn to start accepting what you've voted for and stop trying to blame the EU for your lamentably bad decision.

[meridian]

Unless it is not.....

The tariff is whatever the tariff schedule says it is. It's not up for debate.

Do the good people of Eire want to pay an extra 40% for their lambs?

Do the good people of NI want the good people of Eire to pay an extra 40% for their lambs?

So who does then?

Nobody does, but if that is the tariff schedule rate then that is the rate.

A bunch of bureaucrats in Brussels who use that money to feather their own nest?

I mean what are the EU going to do if those guys do a deal and refuse to pay the 40% tariff?


Call in the Auditors to go through the EU accounts with a fine tooth comb?

I think not.

If who does a deal? If it's Joe Bloggs paying a farmer, probably nothing. If it's Tesco's colluding with farmers to avoid tariffs, probably a massive fine.

If it's the EU or UK unilaterally refusing to impose tariff schedule rates? Nothing, but other third countries (eg NZ, Australia, USA, Argentina) may impose retaliatory tariffs for the EU or UK not securing the borders properly.

Note: don't forget also that this works the other way around. The UK is copying directly the schedule rates from the current EU schedule. Any lamb going the other way is also subject to the same tariff...

[Whorty]

Unless it is not.....

Do the good people of Eire want to pay an extra 40% for their lambs?

Do the good people of NI want the good people of Eire to pay an extra 40% for their lambs?

So who does then?

A bunch of bureaucrats in Brussels who use that money to feather their own nest?

I mean what are the EU going to do if those guys do a deal and refuse to pay the 40% tariff?

Call in the Auditors to go through the EU accounts with a fine tooth comb?

I think not.

As others have said multiple times, but you somehow seem not to understand ... nothing to do with EU. These are WTO rules that you wanted. You should be happy, you will have got your way .... woo hoo, we'll be out of the SM and CU, no more free trade with the evil EU.

It will be both the EU and UK responsibility under WTO rules to ensure there is no controlled trade across the border. But again, isn't that what you want ... take back control of our borders? You win again

[original PM]

Ok sorry clearly not getting my point across.

So a few years back where I work we started to get a digital/agile team in and they were told no no no you cannot do that you ned to follow the prince 2 project process

and the digital guys said no no no we do not - this is new it is quick it has much value your old prince 2 methodology is mired in bureaucracy and limits value and delivery

The existing team did much frothing off the mouth and harrumphing and going all gammon like.

And then things start to change and it was found that you could actually get some really good quick value within the Agile framework and actually going through the old project process was found to have limited value.

So in order to try and quell this new thing that was going on all the old stagers obviously became blockers to try and stop them getting funding - long story short some person came in, gave the digital team £10 million quid and they then proved this worked.

And I draw parallels with that and Brexit - we are continually being told it will not work, it is a bad idea and generally we need to stay in the EU because it is what we have always done it and it has 'worked' and we are being told that by people with a vested interest in ensuring the EU exists to line their own pockets.

Except anyone who has ever been on a Prince 2 project will tell you that using the word 'worked' is a stretch.

Embracing change is scary but look here is another book.

[Old Greg]

Ok sorry clearly not getting my point across.

So a few years back where I work we started to get a digital/agile team in and they were told no no no you cannot do that you ned to follow the prince 2 project process

and the digital guys said no no no we do not - this is new it is quick it has much value your old prince 2 methodology is mired in bureaucracy and limits value and delivery

The existing team did much frothing off the mouth and harrumphing and going all gammon like.

And then things start to change and it was found that you could actually get some really good quick value within the Agile framework and actually going through the old project process was found to have limited value.

So in order to try and quell this new thing that was going on all the old stagers obviously became blockers to try and stop them getting funding - long story short some person came in, gave the digital team £10 million quid and they then proved this worked.

And I draw parallels with that and Brexit - we are continually being told it will not work, it is a bad idea and generally we need to stay in the EU because it is what we have always done it and it has 'worked' and we are being told that by people with a vested interest in ensuring the EU exists to line their own pockets.

Except anyone who has ever been on a Prince 2 project will tell you that using the word 'worked' is a stretch.

Embracing change is scary but look here is another book.

So you've given up on your WTO have cake and eat it nonsense.