Will of the People - End free movement

[minestrone]

"Son, I've lost the business, the house and you have to leave that expensive catholic prep school and go to a comprehensive"

How did you deal with that? Must have been hard. Thankfully I didn't have to deal with a parent being on the insolvency register. Did they stay together after you moved to a 2 bedroom council house?

Knowing your dad is a failure, man that is tough.

[Bean]

Yes, pensioners. You said that they would have a right to remain, which they do not have.

The link you provide is to a policy paper (not a law) from 2017. Much has moved on from then. EU citizens in the U.K. need to apply for Settled Status (“apply”, not register; the Home Office can and is refusing some applicants, there is no “right” to remain).

Settled and pre-settled status for EU citizens and their families - GOV.UK

For pensioners we simply do not know at the moment. What we can say, though is:
- the U.K. has stated many times that they do not want to provide additional rights to EU citizens than non-EU citizens (“jumping the queue”)
- there is no visa for new retirees from outside the EU to be blue to come to the U.K. This simply does not exist anymore
- existing retirees may be able to apply for permanent residence (again, apply, not a right)

Of course there's no law yet...

So, the 'policy' of the UK gov also contains;
"No EU citizen here lawfully before the cut off date, which is yet to be agreed, will have to leave as a result of us leaving the EU."

If you can't comprehend that sentence, in the context it is obviously meant (aka right to remain)...

[meridian]

Will of the People - End free movement

Of course there's no law yet...

So, the 'policy' of the UK gov also contains;
"No EU citizen here lawfully before the cut off date, which is yet to be agreed, will have to leave as a result of us leaving the EU."

If you can't comprehend that sentence, in the context it is obviously meant (aka right to remain)...

A policy document from 2017 means nothing, why are you still relying on it to try to prove your point when you are so obviously wrong?

Did you even read the link to the uk.gov website for EU citizens to apply for Settled Status?

Here’s the heading from the last page:

If your application is not successful

I’m only going to repeat this one more time, because otherwise you’re proving yourself to be sealioning. There is (if this deal goes through) no right to remain.

[sasguru]

"Son, I've lost the business, the house and you have to leave that expensive catholic prep school and go to a comprehensive"

How did you deal with that? Must have been hard. Thankfully I didn't have to deal with a parent being on the insolvency register. Did they stay together after you moved to a 2 bedroom council house?

Knowing your dad is a failure, man that is tough.

Really? The best you can do is attack my dad because you know you're inferior to me?
What a complete loser.

[NotAllThere]

2 pages ago British residents in Spain were obese fag smoking racists, now they seem to be a minority that requires protected status.

No contradiction there, especially since woolly minded liberals (aka anyone to the left of JRM) are so inclusive. Bitish residents in Spain can be obese fag smoking racists and at the same time a minority requiring protected status.

[Bean]

A policy document from 2017 means nothing, why are you still relying on it to try to prove your point when you are so obviously wrong?

Did you even read the link to the uk.gov website for EU citizens to apply for Settled Status?

Here’s the heading from the last page:



I’m only going to repeat this one more time, because otherwise you’re proving yourself to be sealioning. There is (if this deal goes through) no right to remain.

Ok, if you believe that, then there's no point in continuing the discussion.

However, in the interests of other people, who may read this, let's square the circle of 'no EU person will have to leave the UK, as a result of Brexit' with 'if you're application is unsuccessful'...


When I read through your link, everything suggests that the application is a formality, with the 'unsuccessful applications' being for 'settled status', (when in fact they should have applied for 'pre-settled status') and everything backing up the 'not having to leave' policy document.

Thus, you can have an application (for settled status') rejected, and yet they may not be kicked out of the UK (unless pre-settled status is also rejected for some weird reason)

So, my point stands - pensioners should be able to apply for 'settled' status in an EU state, that they reside 6/12 months of the year for the last 5 years, or pre-settled if not, then settled after 5 years (otherwise the EU is not being reciprocal is it!?).
(It is a 'right' in all but name, with the administrative burden of 'applying', for something which is all but guaranteed)

You have no point (about pensioners) and I say you are the sealion in this discussion.

[sasguru]

and I say you are the sealion in this discussion.

That told him ,eh?
Did saying that give you a manly feeling and a boner?

[darmstadt]

Well the UK migrants in the EU may well be ****ed still and this will cause an exodus back to the UK:

May misses off expat pensions rights in Brexit EU 'deal'

[sasguru]

Well the UK migrants in the EU may well be ****ed still and this will cause an exodus back to the UK:

May misses off expat pensions rights in Brexit EU 'deal'

Oh dear. Another consequence of Brexit: exchange young economically active EU migrants for the elderly.
Will the extra 350 million for the NHS cover it? Oh....wait ....

[meridian]

Will of the People - End free movement

Ok, if you believe that, then there's no point in continuing the discussion.

However, in the interests of other people, who may read this, let's square the circle of 'no EU person will have to leave the UK, as a result of Brexit' with 'if you're application is unsuccessful'...


When I read through your link, everything suggests that the application is a formality, with the 'unsuccessful applications' being for 'settled status', (when in fact they should have applied for 'pre-settled status') and everything backing up the 'not having to leave' policy document.

Thus, you can have an application (for settled status') rejected, and yet they may not be kicked out of the UK (unless pre-settled status is also rejected for some weird reason)

So, my point stands - pensioners should be able to apply for 'settled' status in an EU state, that they reside 6/12 months of the year for the last 5 years, or pre-settled if not, then settled after 5 years (otherwise the EU is not being reciprocal is it!?).
(It is a 'right' in all but name, with the administrative burden of 'applying', for something which is all but guaranteed)

You have no point (about pensioners) and I say you are the sealion in this discussion.

As you still can’t seem to grasp the distinction between “apply” and “right” and how they relate to freedom of movement both now and in the future, there seems to be no point in carrying on this discussion.

Clearly, you don’t need to apply and neither does anyone you know, so you’re assuming it’s as easy as the “right” that we currently enjoy to simply turn up and live somewhere. It’s not.

Good luck though. As a dual passport holder I retain my right to live, work, and retire anywhere in the EU27, whereas you’ll need to apply.