Freedom of Movement to be replaced by

[BlasterBates]

Freedom of Mobility

It is not the same thing.

[Mordac]

Freedom of Mobility

It is not the same thing.

It's not indeed. If you have the means to support yourself, you can move freely. If you turn up and demand benefits, you'll be told to fook off. Why didn't we think of that earlier....?

[Lance]

It's not indeed. If you have the means to support yourself, you can move freely. If you turn up and demand benefits, you'll be told to fook off. Why didn't we think of that earlier....?

That's what we already have. We just can't (or won't) enforce it.
Apparently ID cards would make it enforceable.

[Mordac]

That's what we already have. We just can't (or won't) enforce it.
Apparently ID cards would make it enforceable.

We've had this discussion before. We won't tolerate ID cards. This is the UK, not Napoleonic France...

[meridian]

We've had this discussion before. We won't tolerate ID cards. This is the UK, not Napoleonic France...

Better hand in your passport, drivers licence, and national insurance card then.

We don’t need a national ID card to enforce restrictions on movement.

[Bean]

Better hand in your passport, drivers licence, and national insurance card then.

We don’t need a national ID card to enforce restrictions on movement.

Passports & driving licenses aren't mandatory in the UK.

National Insurance cards don't have your picture on them, at least in the UK.

HTH

[meridian]

Freedom of Movement to be replaced by

Passports & driving licenses aren't mandatory in the UK.

National Insurance cards don't have your picture on them, at least in the UK.

HTH

Of course, but whether they are mandatory or not, or have your picture on or not, was not the discussion. They are ID cards, which was the response to the statement that “we won’t tolerate ID cards”. You do.

[Eirikur]

We've had this discussion before. We won't tolerate ID cards. This is the UK, not Napoleonic France...

That's why you have to show utility bills etc when applying for anything. Only in the UK

[WTFH]

That's what we already have. We just can't (or won't) enforce it.

Nailed it (of course they ignored that bit to run off in a frenzy about ID cards)

Home Secretaries for years could have enforced it, like they do in many EU countries, but chose the easy way out of not enforcing it, then making sure that their sheep think it's because of the EU that they can't.

[Bean]

Of course, but whether they are mandatory or not, or have your picture on or not, was not the discussion. They are ID cards, which was the response to the statement that “we won’t tolerate ID cards”. You do.

ID card systems are mandatory, or the 'ID card system' doesn't work.
Passports & driving licenses are not mandatory, therefore cannot be used as an 'ID card', for the purposes of an ID card system.
National Insurance cards are NOT a form of ID, precisely because they lack a photo.

You may be able to say something along the lines of, 'people who apply for passports & licenses tolerate a form of ID card' - but we do not have an ID card system in the UK.

HTH BIDI.