Originally posted by WTFH
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What does Brexit mean for me?
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Originally posted by woohoo View PostI guarantee that most intelligent people can understand your point without resorting to gear box analogies.
This may seem irrelevant - water under the bridge. Brexiteers won't suddenly have a Damascene moment and see the light. However if you are trying to guess what will happen post-Brexit, don't count on any wonderful new firework trade deals. Britain will be tainted goods being tossed around in a big vicious world run by hopeless, Woman's Institute bureaucrats with nothing much to offer apart from world class money laundering and tax evasion. The shelf life of that commodity is very questionable."Don't part with your illusions; when they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live" Mark TwainComment
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Originally posted by Cirrus View PostPerhaps, but the point needs to be rammed home. Over and over again. A lot of what Brexiteers were complaining about, and voting to escape from, has been caused by the abject failure of the UK and not the EU.
This may seem irrelevant - water under the bridge. Brexiteers won't suddenly have a Damascene moment and see the light. However if you are trying to guess what will happen post-Brexit, don't count on any wonderful new firework trade deals. Britain will be tainted goods being tossed around in a big vicious world run by hopeless, Woman's Institute bureaucrats with nothing much to offer apart from world class money laundering and tax evasion. The shelf life of that commodity is very questionable.Comment
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Originally posted by meridian View PostThis has been thoroughly debunked in relation to developing nations. Although there are notional tariffs on food from Africa, for example, under the EBA scheme the effective tariff is 0%. The only way that green beans in Tescos from Kenya can be cheaper is if we increase development aid, and that is a UK decision not an EU one.Comment
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Originally posted by woohoo View PostI would like to look at the source of the evidence so I can understand the motives behind the research.
Not "so that you can learn something you didn't know", but so you can find out why they researched it?…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostYou want evidence so that you can understand the motives behind the research?
Not "so that you can learn something you didn't know", but so you can find out why they researched it?
So, if I want to understand the claim that something has been debunked, then I want to see the evidence so I can evaluate it. Part of that evaluation is understanding who is paying for that evidence and their motives.Comment
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Originally posted by woohoo View PostIt's called bias. For example, if you are a company and want to produce evidence that backs up your agenda, you pay the right company to produce that research.
So, if I want to understand the claim that something has been debunked, then I want to see the evidence so I can evaluate it. Part of that evaluation is understanding who is paying for that evidence and their motives.“Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.”Comment
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Originally posted by Cirrus View PostPerhaps, but the point needs to be rammed home. Over and over again. A lot of what Brexiteers were complaining about, and voting to escape from, has been caused by the abject failure of the UK and not the EU.“Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.”Comment
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What does Brexit mean for me?
Originally posted by woohoo View PostPlease show me this evidence that you talk about in relation to Britain. I would like to look at the source of the evidence so I can understand the motives behind the research.
Try this link for the source of the scheme:
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/tradehelp/everything-arms
And here’s the Generalised System of Preferences:
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/cou...f-preferences/
For a wider explanation of the various schemes including EBA, try this twitter thread (about coffee, specifically):
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...591453696.html
Jim is a Remainer, obviously, but feel free to follow the links to the EU tariff and scheme pages and draw your own conclusions on what the actual tariffs from developing countries are.
The counter argument is that for those countries that currently DO have tariffs (Brazil, China, etc) we could certainly reduce our food bill by unilaterally reducing their tariffs to 0. However, increased imports of foodstuffs from those countries would mean increased pressure on developing countries to compete, and would probably harm those developing countries more. It’s a balancing act that we need to be on the right side of.Comment
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Two of the most common arguments I hear against the EU are:
1) It's no problem to trade with the EU on WTO rules, every other country does it, what a waste of money paying to access the single market.
2) The EU is a protectionist trading block that impoverishes anyone nation outside by not allowing them to trade into the EU.
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