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Originally posted by simondolan View PostAccount transactions are the bank transactions?merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by eek View PostAlso exactly how much can Freeagent expand? It has a software product that is very tied to the accounting rules of a particular country in a niche where probably over 50% of the possible market now use it.
If it does stay predominantly with contractors, then they're pretty vulnerable IMHO, same way most of the accountancy firms on here are. One particularly nasty change in tax law (ie IR35 v2.0) and much of their/our client base could disappear.
I do think you're right re international though. Having the tax stuff being such an integral part of it and something that makes it stand out from the competition does mean expanding to other countries with different tax rules becomes far harder.Comment
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Interesting. I remember they said they had 30,000 users a few years back. Its not a great growth story for an exit in this particular area
Originally posted by Maslins View PostRe your 50% comment, I think FreeAgent have something like 50k users. In percentage terms depends whether you're just talking about your typical contractor, or also including the huge number of other 1 person micro businesses. Including the latter, I'd guess they were at more like 1-2%, though I accept many of those businesses would be so small as to not consider something like FreeAgent. With MTD coming in (eventually), many more micro businesses will be forced to use something a bit more official than the shoebox of receipts or Excel, possibly that can be something FreeAgent does very well out of.
If it does stay predominantly with contractors, then they're pretty vulnerable IMHO, same way most of the accountancy firms on here are. One particularly nasty change in tax law (ie IR35 v2.0) and much of their/our client base could disappear.
I do think you're right re international though. Having the tax stuff being such an integral part of it and something that makes it stand out from the competition does mean expanding to other countries with different tax rules becomes far harder.P.S. What Spreadsheet? Revolutionising the contracting market again.Comment
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Originally posted by simondolan View PostInteresting. I remember they said they had 30,000 users a few years back. Its not a great growth story for an exit in this particular areaComment
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Originally posted by Maslins View PostI'm probably a little way off. Per their crowdfunding 2 years ago they had "over 40,000" paying subscribers, so may well be more than 50k now, but I can't imagine dramatically so. Certainly when compared to the number of micro businesses there allegedly are, there's lots of scope for expansion. Question is how many of those businesses they can persuade to use them. MTD will likely help push quite a few, though of course there are competitors out there who will win some of the market.P.S. What Spreadsheet? Revolutionising the contracting market again.Comment
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Originally posted by simondolan View PostI think perhaps the main problem is that in essence its just double entry bookkeeping. No great barrier to entry, lots of products do the same thing,some for free. Now if they could build some sort of AI into it, that would start to be exciting....Public Service Posting by the BBC - Bloggs Bulls**t Corp.
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Originally posted by Fred Bloggs View PostI'm with Maslins on this. MTD is going to change everything.P.S. What Spreadsheet? Revolutionising the contracting market again.Comment
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Originally posted by simondolan View PostNot sure about that. Can't think of another sector that has changed radically just because things get filed on line?Public Service Posting by the BBC - Bloggs Bulls**t Corp.
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