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Fraudulent Tax Avoidance

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    #11
    EBT & other loan schemes

    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    However when you pay no tax because your entire income is a loan (wink wink nudge nudge) when it really isn't a loan, might be OK but if a judge then decides this is not really a loan and that stands in a court of law, this could quite potentially be then viewed as fraud.

    So it depends on how aggressive you are, but if you're being given a loan, and you know it isn't really one, then you're playing with fire, and if you get away with it then good luck, but if not I don't see the great injustice.
    The reference to loan schemes is interesting because there are a number of IR35 loan schemes particularly using Offshore Employee Benefit Trusts often referred to as EBT’s. If these schemes are operated as set out in the Opinion provided by (normally) a Tax Barrister then – if the Tax Barrister says the scheme is OK, it should be OK. Please note this does not stop HMRC/Treasury changing the law to close down these schemes – in fact a Budget Notice issued this year stated that EBT loan schemes would be closed down from April 2011.

    BUT and this is a big BUT - if in order to obtain a “sale” the promoter (or its Agent) makes a promise that the loan is never repayable then this changes things. ARE we now in the realms of “fraudulent avoidance” and if so what are the consequences.

    BEWARE
    A/ If you have an email or any other written “side” document (even a copy of a presentation slide) with some kind of promise that the loan is NOT repayable then you should seriously consider your position and take advice. (further beware – having read this posting you could delete the email BUT what if unbeknown to you a copy ends up on HMRC desk e.g. they decide to raid the promoter's premises).
    B/ If you have been told verbally that the loan is never repayable WHAT will you do/say if you are questioned “under caution” by HMRC (and not knowing what information HMRC have gathered from the promoter. (NB this situation is very different in law from initially being told/promoter confirming the loan is repayable BUT it actually gets written off in the future - this is (in my opinion) NOT “fraud” BUT there will be tax consequences resulting from the write-off which will depend on your personal circumstances/situation at the time of write-off)

    FINALLY - In the “world of Tax” there are very few fraud/criminal cases taken by HMRC BUT the taxpayer and/or promoter usually end up in prison if found guilty. YES “fraudulent avoidance” = criminal = maybe PRISON. Normally the only way to obtain a “dont' go to prison card” is to make the first move i.e. you hand yourself in before they catch you.

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      #12
      Oh give it a ******* rest - and again!!

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        #13
        "The reference to loan schemes is interesting because there are a number of IR35 loan schemes particularly using Offshore Employee Benefit Trusts often referred to as EBT’s. If these schemes are operated as set out in the Opinion provided by (normally) a Tax Barrister then – if the Tax Barrister says the scheme is OK, it should be OK"

        Why should it be ok? The Opinion is exactly that - a legal opinion. Just because one tax barrister approves the scheme it doesn't mean that another would. The opinion of a tax barrister should only convince you to join a scheme if he is prepared to pay your tax bill should HMR&C have a different opinion.
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          #14
          Originally posted by LisaContractorUmbrella View Post
          The opinion of a tax barrister should only convince you to join a scheme if he is prepared to pay your tax bill should HMR&C have a different opinion.
          Couldn't agree more!!

          Alan's points also valid; so stop bashing him for the sake of it. It seems on this board if you say something people don't want to hear they call you names.

          In my opinion loan schemes have always been fraudulant and I am incredibly surprised that HMRC have not gone after these with more gusto.

          Does the loan go on the tax return? if not, I assume the disguised income is undeclared - does this make it evasion?

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            #15
            This thread is just jones' attempt to profile the MTM scheme and his ongoing 'crusade' against a certain individual.

            I think the mods should take this thread down. jones isnt a contractor. He's just a piss artist.

            Mods, please take this down.
            I couldn't give two fornicators! Yes, really!

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              #16
              Alan Jones - Banned.

              This makes me glum


              NOT!

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                #17
                Originally posted by BolshieBastard View Post

                I think the mods should take this thread down. jones isnt a contractor. He's just a piss artist.

                Mods, please take this down.
                agreed

                this clown has had more than enough publicity

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                  #18
                  We don't remove threads that contain replies (as per CUK rules).

                  We can, however, lock threads.
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