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    tax efficiency options for non-domicile

    hi all,

    some background:

    i've just arrived in the uk, on a working holiday visa and will probably convert to the HSMP (kind of kicking myself that i didn't just get that to begin with now). i have got a contract lined up, and i'm trying to find out whether there are any tax efficient options open to me due to my non-domiciled status in the UK (i'm tax-resident in Australia).

    for those who don't want to read below, the options i have at the moment are:
    • umbrella
    • limited company
    • dual employment (uk and singapore)
    • offshore EBT


    are there any others?

    i have done a search on the forum, but it's a bit confusing at times so i'd like to know if i've got it right.

    i know the popular option on this board seems to be to get yourself outside IR35 (i think my work practices would fall outside IR35, but not 100% sure yet) and go with a limited company. this is definitely the way to go if tax-resident here, but in Australia any dividends paid to me (or even profit held in the Ltd Co) would more or less be taxed as PAYE income, so it doesn't have the benefits that it does for most. I could still split my income between the two tax jurisdictions (salary taxed here, dividends taxed there).

    two other schemes have been offered to me:

    one involves a dual employment structure where you are paid a salary here by a local company (say 30k) and the remainder is paid to you by an overseas company based in singapore. technically the overseas payment is for 'work performed while on international assignment', so you have to leave the country for 7 days or more. this has been discussed before on this board and i think the consensus was that it amounted to tax evasion (albeit hard to prove).

    the other involves being paid a salary here, with the remainder being put into an EBT based in the Isle of Man, with discretionary bonuses in the form of interest free loans being paid on a 4-6 week bonus. it is a tax avoidance scheme that is registered with HMRC. i gather the risks with this are that you are legally obliged to pay back the loans, so if the worst were to happen and the company went bankrupt the administrators would come after you. the other problem is that HMRC could change the regulations and then you would be retrospectively liable for all the unpaid tax + interest?

    please correct me if i'm wrong about any of the above. i'd also like to know if there are any other tax efficiency options open to me as a non-domicile that are legal (which would discount the singapore option) and safe (which would discount the EBT).

    #2
    You know nothing of the market nor the current tax regime, you're coming here on a short-term visa (that you probably won't be able to turn into an HSMP one, since there isn't a skills shortage in IT), and you want to take work away from us - and you want us to help you do it in the most tax efficient manner for free?


    Hmmm....

    You will forgive us if there's not a sudden rush of useful information ( ) but I suggest you contact a professional tax advisor back in Oz that knows the mutual rules between the two countries, or hope another Aussie turns up here.
    Blog? What blog...?

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      #3
      Originally posted by facboy
      hi all,

      some background:

      i've just arrived in the uk, on a working holiday visa and will probably convert to the HSMP (kind of kicking myself that i didn't just get that to begin with now). i have got a contract lined up, and i'm trying to find out whether there are any tax efficient options open to me due to my non-domiciled status in the UK (i'm tax-resident in Australia).

      From the home office website, re: working holiday visa's:

      "Work in the UK must not be the main reason for your holiday, so you must spend no more than 12 months working.

      You can take most types of work, including voluntary work, but you cannot set yourself up in or run a business, or work as a professional sportsperson. You can choose when to work and when to take your holiday breaks, but you must not work for more than a total of 12 months or you will be breaking the conditions of your stay. "


      Is work in the UK he main reason you are here? If it is then you will be breaking the conditions of your stay.


      Are you planning to set yourself up in or run a business? If it is then you will be breaking the conditions of your stay.

      This rules out LTD company.


      If you do break the conditions of your stay, they really hate that and you will not be granted another type of visa, so don't do it.

      Presumably you don't wish to break the laws/diddle the tax system of the country that has accepted you in good faith, so I suggest you go the PAYE umbrella path.

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        #4
        i think the 'main reason' for stay issue is not a major concern. i won't deny that the market here is attractive, but i'm not mad keen on working at the best of times . mostly i'm here to see the sights, experience living somewhere that's not a colonial backwater . if i make some money along the way that's a nice bonus. my personal take is that the home office is trying to discourage companies from seeing this as a 'cheap' way to get a short-term work permit for employees they should rightfully be sponsoring.

        i definitely need to talk to somebody about the Limited Company and working holiday thing - there are many working holiday people using limited companies, no-one makes any secret of that. general consensus is that using one primarily as a pay structure for contracting isn't a breach of the terms, but i'd want to check that.

        i wasn't aware that being tax efficient was 'diddling' the system, doesn't that imply some element of legal or moral questionability? i'm not interested in doing anything illegal, but i also don't want to be paying tax that i don't have to.

        as far as HSMP goes, i know it's difficult to get one, but afaik it's points (and evidence) based. get the points, you get the visa. i know plenty of people on HSMPs who were using limited companies, offshore accounts, and all sorts of dodgy schemes. not that i'm advocating any of that, but it seems like it doesn't necessarily have a huge bearing on eligibility for a visa (presumably because they weren't caught).

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          #5
          Most agencies wont touch you for work if the mechanism you are using for work could cause the IR to come back to them for tax. Thus why Ltd co or PAYE is the only way they will work with you.

          If you want to do payment to 'offshore' you might try Ireland; used to be able to do that over there, but the Irish are not stupid and I am sure they will block that loophole at some point. But then you wont get the same rates as in the UK, so might as well work in the UK and pay a reasonable amount of tax like the rest of us?

          I am British and it does annoy when we get our ex 'colonial' cousins coming over here and take all our jobs. I mean why dont we just open the flood gates and let the whole of the Indian population move in. Nothing racist here; Britain should be for British people and not for every opportunist from outside over crowding our island and putting pressure on our infrastructure and housing.

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            #6
            Originally posted by backagain

            I am British and it does annoy when we get our ex 'colonial' cousins coming over here and take all our jobs. I mean why dont we just open the flood gates and let the whole of the Indian population move in. Nothing racist here; Britain should be for British people and not for every opportunist from outside over crowding our island and putting pressure on our infrastructure and housing.
            You have made 2 fatal errors.

            1. Being born here
            2. Assuming your government gives a tulip about you.

            HTH

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              #7
              Originally posted by backagain
              Most agencies wont touch you for work if the mechanism you are using for work could cause the IR to come back to them for tax. Thus why Ltd co or PAYE is the only way they will work with you.
              actually i found that interesting...most of these 'schemes' have a respectable front-end that is approved, at least by my agency which is one of the bigger ones.

              Originally posted by backagain
              I am British and it does annoy when we get our ex 'colonial' cousins coming over here and take all our jobs. I mean why dont we just open the flood gates and let the whole of the Indian population move in. Nothing racist here; Britain should be for British people and not for every opportunist from outside over crowding our island and putting pressure on our infrastructure and housing.
              we're all here because the international outsourcing companies (without being specific about their subcontinental countries of origin ) came and took all our jobs!

              if it makes you feel better, i don't think i took anything that anyone was terribly interested in. they'd been looking to fill the role for 3 months.
              Last edited by facboy; 15 July 2007, 07:58.

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                #8
                Originally posted by backagain
                I am British and it does annoy when we get our ex 'colonial' cousins coming over here and take all our jobs. I mean why dont we just open the flood gates and let the whole of the Indian population move in. Nothing racist here; Britain should be for British people and not for every opportunist from outside over crowding our island and putting pressure on our infrastructure and housing.
                The Indians do not want to come to the UK. There is not enough strange, six-button polyester suits to sustain them.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by facboy
                  if it makes you feel better, i don't think i took anything that anyone was terribly interested in. they'd been looking to fill the role for 3 months.
                  I'm guessing SAP financials or Service Center. Am I close?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by facboy
                    actually i found that interesting...most of these 'schemes' have a respectable front-end that is approved, at least by my agency which is one of the bigger ones.



                    we're all here because the international outsourcing companies (without being specific about their subcontinental countries of origin ) came and took all our jobs!

                    if it makes you feel better, i don't think i took anything that anyone was terribly interested in. they'd been looking to fill the role for 3 months.
                    The point is not about you nicking our work (honest!), it's about being asked how to walk around the tax rules we have to abide by, being asked about how to walk around visa rules that some of us (naming no names...) have spent 5 years campaigning to get fairly applied and to close off the assorted loopholes that allowed in unqualified non-EU people at £5 an hour, and, with 15% of contractors on the bench at any one time, positions mysteriously going unfilled for three months ("Gosh, you will have to import some overseas resource then , since we clearly haven't got it in the UK, Mr BigCo...").

                    Nothing against aussies, who I find to be universally likeable people, it's all about the mess HMG, the agencies and some companies are making of the market I try to work in.
                    Blog? What blog...?

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