orangegenie or nixon williams for ltd company

**Bigbird** · 31 March 2007, 21:07

If the Revenue decide that Orangegenie is an MSC provider under the new rules rather than a provider of accountancy services (which they may well if they were an MSC provider before the new rules) then regardless of your contract terms or working practices you will be caught by the MSC legislation and liable to pay full PAYE and NIC (including employers) on all your earnings.

If you go with a company who are a firm of accountants and have never been a scheme provider you will be considered to be outside the scope of the MSC legislation. You will still have to abide by the IR35 rules of course.

Tell you what I can't find out yet though. Will the 3rd party debt recovery legislation only be applicable to MSCs as defined by the new regs or will it be applicable to PSCs and other companies too? That's a scary thought..........

**Langkawi** · 2 April 2007, 08:00

Hi,

After shopping around quite a lot I went with Nixon Williams and they have been great so far. Fast efficient service and very helpful with any queries and questions.

Would reccomend them very highly.

**gingerjedi** · 2 April 2007, 08:12

I have just moved from orangegenie (umbrella) to Nixon Williams and started my own Ltd, I don't think there’s any comparison when it comes to being in control and getting a better deal.

**Red 7** · 2 April 2007, 08:59

I've recently set up my LTD with Nixon Williams and have to say that they have been very helpful so far. I came close to deciding to do all my own returns etc, but the peace of mind and the avoidance of paperwork hassles in exchange for a small monthly fee is a bargain in my opinion. It does represent excellent value for money versus my time.

This isn't to the detriment of the other accountants using this board though, I'm sure (know) there are others on here offering high quality services. Read everything and shop around - it can't do any harm.

I found this forum invaluable when I began to think about self employment. Without the sage advice of many of the regular posters I would have probably ended up going with my agent's recommendation (Giant). I'm so glad I didn't go down that road, so a big Thank You to y'all.

**2uk** · 2 April 2007, 11:17

Yes I second that one. A big thanks to the “ones in the know”. It is admirable how some devote so much energy to help others. Yes, many times they are rough and spank the newbies, but we all know that this is for their own good ( the newbie’s).

**malvolio** · 2 April 2007, 11:23

Originally posted by 2uk

Yes, many times they are rough and spank the newbies, but we all know that this is for their own good ( the newbie’s).

Yeah, but it is fun as well...

**triwhdxk** · 2 April 2007, 12:18

Went with nixon williams after comparing them with SJD

**Nixon Williams** · 2 April 2007, 12:33

Thank you for the comments.

In my view you have to be in control of your own company to avoid possible issues with the MSC rules, so this means:

1. Director and shareholder of your own company
2. Total control over the company bank account
3. Issuing your own invoices etc.
4. Providing your own insurance cover

We provide (as we have done for the past 12 years) an accountancy/tax service for contractors and consultants using their own limited company. We have never offered a MSC or umbrella option.

Alan

**Red 7** · 2 April 2007, 14:38

I have a horrible feeling that I've just missed out on 60 quid.

orangegenie or nixon williams for ltd company