Possible to claim new style JSA?

[FIERCE TANK BATTLE]

Out of work atm, looking at the new style JSA: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-styl...-new-style-jsa

It looks lke you can claim if you pause salary payments to yourself from your LTD (just taking those to use up my personal allowance while unemployed).

Can't see any other catches (obviously must be looking for work).

Any thoughts?

[northernladuk]

Any thoughts?

Yeah. You aren't out of work. You are marketing and selling yourself for your next gig. You are a business and part of that is looking for work. So you are carrying out your business, you just don't have any income at the moment. You are still a director, officer of the company and benched resource so you aren't out of work.

I noticed my Chinese Takeway didn't have any customers in earlier. Maybe the can claim JSA for not working?

Quality of contractors is clearly at an all time low.

[northernladuk]

How can you have a company car yet think you are unemployed?

The company paying for the car is a form of remuneration so you'll be committing fraud telling them you've no income coming in.

[FIERCE TANK BATTLE]

Yeah. You aren't out of work. You are marketing and selling yourself for your next gig. You are a business and part of that is looking for work. So you are carrying out your business, you just don't have any income at the moment. You are still a director, officer of the company and benched resource so you aren't out of work.

I noticed my Chinese Takeway didn't have any customers in earlier. Maybe the can claim JSA for not working?

Quality of contractors is clearly at an all time low.

You don't have to be out of work to claim JSA, you just have to be working less than 16 hours, and your income (which for me is zero) would reduce any payments.

[WTFH]

You don't have to be out of work to claim JSA, you just have to be working less than 16 hours, and your income (which for me is zero) would reduce any payments.

You are saying your income is zero, but you still have a company car. Your company is paying for a car for you, just because the owners of your company are either refusing to pay you or do not have sufficient funds to pay you, that is your decision.

[FIERCE TANK BATTLE]

You are saying your income is zero, but you still have a company car. Your company is paying for a car for you, just because the owners of your company are either refusing to pay you or do not have sufficient funds to pay you, that is your decision.

The company has already bought a car that belongs to itself, not me. I'm allowed to use it in exchange for paying BIK.

The new JSA appears to be based solely on your job income (zero) and your pension, nothing else.

I'll leave it to them to decide if eligible, but I can't see why anyone that is out of work doesn't meet the criteria. Hence asking!

[northernladuk]

The new JSA appears to be based solely on your job income (zero) and your pension, nothing else.

Using a bit of common and reading between the lines your income is the salary you pay yourself. Pausing it to claim no income should be classed as fraud. That's disgraceful and morally repugnant. You are lowering yourself to Pyscho Candy levels.

Just because you have the ability to dick around with your salary it doesn't mean you pause it and claim JSA. I mean, why not go the whole hog and not to pay yourself for 11 months of the year, claim JSA and then on the 12th month decide you are worth 11k and pay yourself that? Why stop at only claiming JSA while you aren't in a contract. Your contract has absolutely sod all to do with your pay so why not?

[northernladuk]

You don't have to be out of work to claim JSA, you just have to be working less than 16 hours, and your income (which for me is zero) would reduce any payments.

You are working. You are looking for, applying for and interviewing for contracts. That is standard work for any business. Even pausing your payments is work carried out for your business. You are mixing up a contract vs working for your limited.

I thought contractors would have got past this level of thinking by now.

[Craig@Clarity]

My understanding is that you would have to be assessed whether you're gainfully self employed under benefit rules so you'd have to go through the pain and admin of having an interview with a work coach to determine your status. Generally, you wouldn't be able to claim JSA if you're a director as you'd be considered to be in gainful self-employment but you could be eligible for UC.

If you read HMRC's guidance, it says you "can" apply but to be eligible and in receipt of JSA, you'd have to jump through hoops. Good luck if you're going for it and would love an update if you brave it.

[northernladuk]

My understanding is that you would have to be assessed whether you're gainfully self employed under benefit rules so you'd have to go through the pain and admin of having an interview with a work coach to determine your status. Generally, you wouldn't be able to claim JSA if you're a director as you'd be considered to be in gainful self-employment but you could be eligible for UC.

If you read HMRC's guidance, it says you "can" apply but to be eligible and in receipt of JSA, you'd have to jump through hoops. Good luck if you're going for it and would love an update if you brave it.

Brave isn't the word I'd use.