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A Sad “IR35” Day

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  • BABABlackSheep
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    Originally posted by WordIsBond View Post
    1. If you don't want the Dec contractor absence, and the work justifies it, you could make the pitch, "Sorry, this new training contract shouldn't be on a contractor absence, we only have until Feb to get these people trained. This contract should be different, you need to make an exception for it." Maybe they won't accept that but you can try (if you want).

    2. If you are looking for outside work, yes, come Feb, the market will be even worse, but it's pretty bad right now, too, isn't it?

    3. If you are willing to accept brolly or perm roles, come Feb a bunch of clients like Barclays, etc, are going to be frantically trying to replace a bunch of people who just walked. There's going to be a lot of upheaval but there will certainly be roles available.

    4. My guess is by the summer there are going to be outside roles starting to pop up again because clients will need people. Feb takes you a couple months closer to that. How's your warchest?

    Just a few more things to consider. Ultimately none of us know what will happen so you are just going to have to weigh up probabilities and the impact of each possibility on you personally, and make your decision accordingly.
    It’s good advice. I agree with everything you say. I’m happy to take Brolly for now, just not at a client I’ve worked for a while at.

    My warchest is about a year’s worth. Not going to take any pension this year if brolly/MVL option is in play.

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  • WordIsBond
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    Originally posted by BABABlackSheep View Post
    It’s an interesting thought.

    I have a contract till Dec, 1 month contractor absence, so that’s an extra 2 months work till End of Feb.

    My concern is that come Feb, a contract market that is already saturated will get even worse.

    Hoping if I am available immediately I can secure something else. Damn but there’s a lot of applicants out there
    1. If you don't want the Dec contractor absence, and the work justifies it, you could make the pitch, "Sorry, this new training contract shouldn't be on a contractor absence, we only have until Feb to get these people trained. This contract should be different, you need to make an exception for it." Maybe they won't accept that but you can try (if you want).

    2. If you are looking for outside work, yes, come Feb, the market will be even worse, but it's pretty bad right now, too, isn't it?

    3. If you are willing to accept brolly or perm roles, come Feb a bunch of clients like Barclays, etc, are going to be frantically trying to replace a bunch of people who just walked. There's going to be a lot of upheaval but there will certainly be roles available.

    4. My guess is by the summer there are going to be outside roles starting to pop up again because clients will need people. Feb takes you a couple months closer to that. How's your warchest?

    Just a few more things to consider. Ultimately none of us know what will happen so you are just going to have to weigh up probabilities and the impact of each possibility on you personally, and make your decision accordingly.

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  • northernladuk
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    It might get better with a crap load of roles that people just can't travel for. Gonna be rich pickings for the London crowd when none of the northern people can claim travel for inside gigs.

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  • BABABlackSheep
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    Originally posted by WordIsBond View Post
    edit: I see now, they won't be making any determinations, so you don't have to worry about that. Still, I think the role change allows you to keep earning without significant risk, AND keeps the door open for future work if it all goes pear-shaped for them.
    It’s an interesting thought.

    I have a contract till Dec, 1 month contractor absence, so that’s an extra 2 months work till End of Feb.

    My concern is that come Feb, a contract market that is already saturated will get even worse.

    Hoping if I am available immediately I can secure something else. Damn but there’s a lot of applicants out there

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  • WordIsBond
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    Unless you have something in the works, I would ask for a new contract now. I wouldn't bother with fixed price, the client won't get why you are doing that. Same price, same agent, but new contract with new title and new job description -- Training. From now until February.
    Insist that the contract states, 'As the contract terminates in February the client will not be making an IR35 determination.'

    Mutually agree to terminate the old contract immediately, and begin the new one. The key is to get in a new role, and one that won't be assessed, ASAP. They've opened the door for that. You want to be out of there before April, but the sooner you break with the old role that you've been in for a while, the better. They've given you a way to break off that role without actually stopping your income. Seems like an opportunity, and one that prevents any unpleasant determinations on their part.

    edit: I see now, they won't be making any determinations, so you don't have to worry about that. Still, I think the role change allows you to keep earning without significant risk, AND keeps the door open for future work if it all goes pear-shaped for them.

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  • dx4100
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    Originally posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    I think if you refuse every bit of work that comes your way that isn't strictly within the schedule but nonetheless quite linked to it, you'll have a very short career
    17 year career with 11 years as a contractor would suggest not

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  • BABABlackSheep
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    Originally posted by Paralytic View Post
    Is the client actually going to make a determination, or is this client one of those that is making a policy decision not engage with PSCs after Feb 2020 so no determination will be required?
    The latter.

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  • PerfectStorm
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    Originally posted by dx4100 View Post
    Surely if its not in your schedule you are hanging yourself out to dry in regard to IR35. Yes handover completed work but training is quite different ?
    I think if you refuse every bit of work that comes your way that isn't strictly within the schedule but nonetheless quite linked to it, you'll have a very short career

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  • dx4100
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    Originally posted by sal View Post
    errr, no. Handover of completed work or work stream in progress - yes, give advise based on my experience - absolutely. Training permies - heck no.

    Unless your contract is for training and most are not, why would you do it? Especially under OP's circumstances.
    Originally posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    Because it's a reasonable ask, I can do it very easily, and I can invoice for the trouble.
    Surely if its not in your schedule you are hanging yourself out to dry in regard to IR35. Yes handover completed work but training is quite different ?

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  • Old Greg
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    Originally posted by cojak View Post
    Oh dear, what a pity, never mind. While I would offer a fixed price training contract with a statement of work, it doesn't sound as if the client is sophisticated enough to accept it.
    Of course they won't accept it. The point of the fixed price sales pitch is not to win business. It's a passive aggressive move to make the client feel even worse about their eventual failure.

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