Another contractor IR35 win

[saptastic]

https://www.contractoruk.com/news/00...r35_again.html

Fair play Mr Wells.

“However this is Mr Wells’ second IR35 case, which does raise important questions over HMRC’s targeting of contractors.

“I can't recall another situation where a contractor has been investigated twice. From this, it could be argued that HMRC has an agenda, and is wrongly going after certain individuals.”

[Old Greg]

https://www.contractoruk.com/news/00...r35_again.html

Fair play Mr Wells.

“However this is Mr Wells’ second IR35 case, which does raise important questions over HMRC’s targeting of contractors.

“I can't recall another situation where a contractor has been investigated twice. From this, it could be argued that HMRC has an agenda, and is wrongly going after certain individuals.”

Even with random selection, you would expect the occasional contractor to be investigated twice. Otherwise, once investigated a single time, you would have a free pass.

[Cirrus]

at the end of the day, it all looks like a crapshoot.

I've said this all along but everyone here ignores it and carries on pontificating

[northernladuk]

I've said this all along but everyone here ignores it and carries on pontificating

At the beginning this was your unqualified opinion and some of us just played the game to say as safe as possible. That said even I have to admit it's starting to look like we've spent a lot of time making sure of being out when we might not have needed to. So yes, evidence is mounting to back up your comment now but nothing wrong with pontificating until it's an absolute dead cert IMO.
If a bit of time, effort and discussion keeps me from being the one that might get caught and be liable for 100's of K then I'll keep pontificating for the time being.
Sitting there and saying I told you so when the evidence appears years later isn't much of a flag to wave IMO.

EDIT : And I also see it a bit like security at an office. They've never had to chase anyone down or stop someone walking out with a monitor so what's the point? The fact it's there makes people act properly. If we didn't pontificate over IR35 people wouldn't be prepared and wouldn't be winning in court.
So actually I think your comment is completely wrong. If we all took your approach there would be a lot more HMRC wins.

[Hobosapien]

The HMRC court losses should mean they do more due diligence before taking future cases to court. It's as if they're run by muppets with a budget to spend and the result is almost irrelevant.

[Cirrus]

If a bit of time, effort and discussion keeps me from being the one that might get caught and be liable for 100's of K then I'll keep pontificating for the time being.

I seem to remember some notable philosopher arguing going to church, praying to God etc might seem like a waste of time until when push comes to shove, you find there is an afterlife and you are being herded into the down lift to Hell and eternal damnation and then you suddenly see the merits of religion, sadly too late.

However, despite that, I doubt many contractors believe in God.

[fidot]

Pascal - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager

So perhaps more logic/probability than philosophy.

[Cirrus]

Shows How Old I Am

Pascal

Well bugger me backwards: that was the taught high level language on my MSc course.

[TestMangler]

I seem to remember some notable philosopher arguing going to church, praying to God etc might seem like a waste of time until when push comes to shove, you find there is an afterlife and you are being herded into the down lift to Hell and eternal damnation and then you suddenly see the merits of religion, sadly too late.

However, despite that, I doubt many contractors believe in God.

I think most believe in IR35 though.

[northernladuk]

A great philosopher once wrote, Naughty, naughty, very naughty