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    Default Client expecting me to "train up" a permie

    I have had 2 requests to train up "wanna be" PMs in my current contract. The first person asked me a couple weeks ago and I've been mentoring her and sharing my approach etc. She is a PA and recently done Prince 2 and eventually wants a career change. Now today I get an email from this other person and feeling a little irritated. Especially when they seem to be wanting to hire a perm BA / PM (for 40k) for me to hand over to at the end of my 3 months.

    What would you do? Is this IR35 compliant? I wouldn't have thought a contract PM should be providing personal development for permies. I'm all for knowledge sharing but the request I had today via email from the permie was very explicit in wanting to shadow me with a view to applying for future PM roles. What's the best way to decline this?

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    Funnily enough this exact same question reemerged today.

    Have a look - my response would be the same.

    But basically - ask for more money.

    http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...ontractor.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by cojak View Post
    Funnily enough this exact same question reemerged today.

    Have a look - my response would be the same.

    But basically - ask for more money.

    http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...ontractor.html

    Thanks just had a look at the other post- I guess the difference is im being asked to train up a permie rather than a contractor. Is there any mention of this being prohibited under IR35?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicity View Post
    Thanks just had a look at the other post- I guess the difference is im being asked to train up a permie rather than a contractor. Is there any mention of this being prohibited under IR35?
    Couldn't be any further from, surely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicity View Post
    Thanks just had a look at the other post- I guess the difference is im being asked to train up a permie rather than a contractor. Is there any mention of this being prohibited under IR35?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicity View Post
    Thanks just had a look at the other post- I guess the difference is im being asked to train up a permie rather than a contractor. Is there any mention of this being prohibited under IR35?
    No difference- if you notice there was a reference to IR35 which was reasonable as a D&C concern.

    But if it's individuals asking you, just say that you're already mentoring one person and that's enough (and I'd wean the original one off as well if I were you - you're not a permie and are getting nothing for your good nature).

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    If it's an individual asking you to train them, that's different to say the Dev manager asking you to train one of the team.

    If it's the former I'd politely tell them where to go. "I'm sorry, but my contract here is only for to deliver XXXX. In depth training is not what I'm here for and spending too much time doing this risks the delivery of this project."

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrontEnder View Post
    If it's an individual asking you to train them, that's different to say the Dev manager asking you to train one of the team.

    If it's the former I'd politely tell them where to go. "I'm sorry, but my contract here is only for to deliver XXXX. In depth training is not what I'm here for and spending too much time doing this risks the delivery of this project."
    This, sorry I misread what you said.

    These are individuals asking you not your Client Co engager?

    Tell them to do one (politely).

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    Isn't it an invoicing opportunity - "Would you train up our staff please?"

    "Certainly, would you like to explain the scope of what you need. I'll put together a proposal for you."

    Eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrontEnder View Post
    If it's an individual asking you to train them, that's different to say the Dev manager asking you to train one of the team.

    If it's the former I'd politely tell them where to go. "I'm sorry, but my contract here is only for to deliver XXXX. In depth training is not what I'm here for and spending too much time doing this risks the delivery of this project."
    To add to this, if the current one you're mentoring just asked you and it's not been agreed you've agreed to you're potentially breaching your contract.

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