Has anyone recently found a new contract (not a renewal) and met with the 'opt out or no job' ultimatum?
A few weeks ago I sent my CV in the agency, they sent it down to the client. All went quiet for a couple of weeks then they came back with an interview. I went down to see the client and all was fine. Feedback from agency was they wanted to hire. Only at this point did the agency casually mention 'you are opting out aren't you?', to which he got a definitive 'no way'. So Mr agent started spouting all kinds of untrue/grey arguments on why I should opt out - such as 'there's so much paperwork for you to complete if you opt-in', 'you'll pay more tax if you opt-in', 'you'll be free of IR35 if you opt-out' and so on. I stood firm. His colleague called the next day, same pressurising tactics. I stood firm. Following day I get a call from one of the finance directors. I told him I've had enough of the bullsh*t, I know why you want me to opt-out and gave him reasons (less restriction to go direct at contract end, agency can't not pay because they 'didn't receive timesheet' etc etc). He said ok I'll come clean with you, we've taken legal advice from Lawspeed who say we must get everyone to opt-out because of the potential liabilities. Lawspeeds argument is even if I use my own Ltd Co/umbrella, by opting-in the agency is still liable for things such as illness/holiday payments etc, and they simply couldn't take these financial risks (which they calculate is more than their margin) and would have to take something like 12 pounds an hour off the rate (of 25 pounds) to cover themselves! So we hit a deadlock - either I opt-out or there's effectively no contract.
Does anyone know if this point is correct - I'm sure the party that has the liabilities is the one who operates your PAYE scheme (ie my LtdCo/umbrella) since they are my legal employer and responsible for sick pay/holidays etc. Surely this is why most of the agencies forced everyone who was on PAYE with the agency to go and get a LtdCo/Umbrella instead because they didn't want to be liable when this particular area of law regarding temporary workers was changed a while back?
A few weeks ago I sent my CV in the agency, they sent it down to the client. All went quiet for a couple of weeks then they came back with an interview. I went down to see the client and all was fine. Feedback from agency was they wanted to hire. Only at this point did the agency casually mention 'you are opting out aren't you?', to which he got a definitive 'no way'. So Mr agent started spouting all kinds of untrue/grey arguments on why I should opt out - such as 'there's so much paperwork for you to complete if you opt-in', 'you'll pay more tax if you opt-in', 'you'll be free of IR35 if you opt-out' and so on. I stood firm. His colleague called the next day, same pressurising tactics. I stood firm. Following day I get a call from one of the finance directors. I told him I've had enough of the bullsh*t, I know why you want me to opt-out and gave him reasons (less restriction to go direct at contract end, agency can't not pay because they 'didn't receive timesheet' etc etc). He said ok I'll come clean with you, we've taken legal advice from Lawspeed who say we must get everyone to opt-out because of the potential liabilities. Lawspeeds argument is even if I use my own Ltd Co/umbrella, by opting-in the agency is still liable for things such as illness/holiday payments etc, and they simply couldn't take these financial risks (which they calculate is more than their margin) and would have to take something like 12 pounds an hour off the rate (of 25 pounds) to cover themselves! So we hit a deadlock - either I opt-out or there's effectively no contract.
Does anyone know if this point is correct - I'm sure the party that has the liabilities is the one who operates your PAYE scheme (ie my LtdCo/umbrella) since they are my legal employer and responsible for sick pay/holidays etc. Surely this is why most of the agencies forced everyone who was on PAYE with the agency to go and get a LtdCo/Umbrella instead because they didn't want to be liable when this particular area of law regarding temporary workers was changed a while back?
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