Arctic Systems - how did they get on at each level?

[BrilloPad]

Currently now to fight HMRC you have to go to FTTT, UTTT, Court of appeal and Supreme court.

What levels did Arctic Systems go to? And how did they get on at each level?

Thx

[eek]

https://www.accountancyage.com/aa/sp...ine-background has the timeline. All the way to the House of Lords (which is now the supreme court)..

[malvolio]

IPSE's summary is here

[BrilloPad]

Many thanks all.

Without IPSE they would have been stuffed at every level.

[Fred Bloggs]

Many thanks all.

Without PCG they would have been stuffed at every level.

FTFY. Begs the question, have the present management got the ba**s to do it again? They claim they have the resources to, but other parts of the balance sheet suggest anything like it again might well involve serious membership levy. IMO that is, naturally. Plenty of other opinions available etc....

[TheFaQQer]

FTFY. Begs the question, have the present management got the ba**s to do it again?

Yes, they have.

But it's always worth asking the question to ensure that people have the appetite for this kind of thing.

[SueEllen]

FTFY. Begs the question, have the present management got the ba**s to do it again? They claim they have the resources to, but other parts of the balance sheet suggest anything like it again might well involve serious membership levy. IMO that is, naturally. Plenty of other opinions available etc....

Do you think HMRC have balls for a fight with an organisation they have lost against over whelming before in a higher court?

[northernladuk]

Do you think HMRC have balls for a fight with an organisation they have lost against over whelming before in a higher court?

Of course they will. If they believe they have a case they will bring it. You can't decide what to bring to court just because someone beat you on something else before. Not doing it just because they are scared of IPSE (PCG) is ridiculous.

[SeanT]

Of course they will. It's not their own money they're wasting, it's ours.

FTFY

[Fred Bloggs]

Do you think HMRC have balls for a fight with an organisation they have lost against over whelming before in a higher court?

They (HMRC/HMG) have learned. They now have different tactics. Loss of expenses, dividend tax, flat rate VAT, public sector IR35. To name just four where your esteemed representatives just rolled over. OK sure, they'll say they didn't. Your bank account tells a very different story. The cups of tea in Darwin street are the only thing they got from there. Perhaps a custard cream too, on a good day.

Arctic was THE defining high point. But you can't live off that reputation forever.