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Nigel Farage : Britain is 'staring down the barrel' of a second EU referendum

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    Nigel Farage : Britain is 'staring down the barrel' of a second EU referendum

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    David Davis says election disaster could cost hard Brexit | Daily Mail Online

    #2
    There was never mandate for a "Hard" Brexit

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      #3
      There should be second EU referendum but not in/out, instead about the terms. Multiple tickboxes which major parts to keep SM/FM/CU etc. with massive educational campaign on the impact of keeping/losing each of them. Not going to happen of course since the Government is clueless of the impact themselves.

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      'It's a Brexit which seeks to give the best deal in terms of economic and commercial opportunity with Europe but also open up opportunity with the rest of the world.
      Giving the fact that EU is already striking FTA with Australia and Canada and making some efforts for FTA with the US, what rest of the world are we talking about? India and China?
      Last edited by sal; 9 June 2017, 15:10.

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        #4
        Any deal should be subject to 2nd referendum to approve it.

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          #5
          The reality is the only kind of Brexit is a hard Brexit. We are leaving the EU and becoming a third country. For this, there need be no bar bill, no rights for EU citizens in UK and UK citizens in EU, nothing. This is the only real option. We leave the EU and all of its institutions.

          A potential option exists whereby we join EFTA and remaining in the European Economic Area. This is probably the 'soft Brexit' option. Some people think we can cherry pick what we will continue to be able to do with the EU, whilst not availing ourselves of their less desirable institutions. This is not going to be an option (there are some EU led institutions which we could stay in, such as the Common Aviation Area. EU or EEA membership not required there.

          Apparently, in exchange for vast swathes of our money, the size of which must be determined first, we can retain the priviledge of having to maintain the existing rights of EU citizens already in the UK and maybe, to be determined afterwards, we might be able to secure a Free Trade Agreement. But this is the Hard Brexit option, because we have to leave in order to get the FTA. The FTA is never going to be as good as the freedom of movement of goods, services and capital. The cost of free movement is the freedom of movement of workers. Free Trade does not mean free movement of goods.

          So a referendum asking us which bits we do and don't want, that isn't an option on the table. We're either in or out of the EU, and if we're out of the EU we either join EFTA or we try and secure a free trade agreement.
          Taking a break from contracting

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            #6
            Originally posted by AtW View Post
            Any deal should be subject to 2nd referendum to approve it.
            What would the other option be? Approve or no deal? Approve or not leave?

            I think we've proven that we shouldn't be allowed to have referendums at all. We failed at the Alternate Vote referendum when we had the perfect option to reform the system; Scottish Indyref was rediculously divisive, the EU referendum was seen by most as a referendum on immigrants and was also rediculously divisive. No more referendums.
            Taking a break from contracting

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              #7
              Originally posted by chopper View Post
              What would the other option be? Approve or no deal? Approve or not leave?
              Lack of approval means leaving is not authorised: recalling Article 50 and putting to jail people who started it all that wasted so much money.

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                #8
                Originally posted by AtW View Post
                Lack of approval means leaving is not authorised: recalling Article 50 and putting to jail people who started it all that wasted so much money.
                The saboteurs?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by AtW View Post
                  There was never mandate for a "Hard" Brexit
                  Of course there was. When you leave, resign or retire, you leave, resign or retire completely not, half arsed leave, resign or retire.

                  There was never a mandate for a 'soft' brexit.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by washed up contractor View Post
                    Of course there was. When you leave, resign or retire, you leave, resign or retire completely not, half arsed leave, resign or retire. There was never a mandate for a 'soft' brexit.
                    There was no mandate for leaving at all - referendum was ADVISORY, not legally binding.

                    Tory Scum Govt CHOSEN to make it "will of the people" (with laughably small percentage over 50%).

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