Direct Projects into Public Sector (Sort of)

[Andy Hallett]

Hi,

I am currently in the design phase of a product that could allow individual contractors to identify / arrange Public Sector roles directly and contract via us. The idea would be that PSec clients could award contracts under a compliant procured framework and contractors would be able to supply.

Obviously it is a very different proposition to the one of our traditional business we current identify and source the vacancies, for it it work it has to be contractor driven. So I can make the proposition as attractive as possible, what things would you look for under such an arrangement?

[GB9]

So just for clarity, you want us to identify vacancies for you and then cut you in?

[northernladuk]

I'd expect to be asked for two references.

[SimonMac]

Hi,

I am currently in the design phase of a product that could allow individual contractors to identify / arrange Public Sector roles directly and contract via us. The idea would be that PSec clients could award contracts under a compliant procured framework and contractors would be able to supply.

Obviously it is a very different proposition to the one of our traditional business we current identify and source the vacancies, for it it work it has to be contractor driven. So I can make the proposition as attractive as possible, what things would you look for under such an arrangement?

I assume this is to get around the Off-Payroll debacle that is on the horizon?

As we are unsure of what is happening yet, how does your plan work, or what is your plan?

[northernladuk]

Wouldn't that need you to change the PS's resourcing model which has only just been tightened up and is going to be very difficult to do?

[eek]

I assume this is to get around the Off-Payroll debacle that is on the horizon?

As we are unsure of what is happening yet, how does your plan work, or what is your plan?

Without any explanation from Andy I wouldn't want to guess that.

It could equally well be due to the new DOS framework which is supposedly designed to allow specialists to bypass agencies... The weakness with that is that I believe proposals need to be written which is time consuming - and may let agencies in via the backdoor...

[SimonMac]

Without any explanation from Andy I wouldn't want to guess that.

It could equally well be due to the new DOS framework which is supposedly designed to allow specialists to bypass agencies... The weakness with that is that I believe proposals need to be written which is time consuming - and may let agencies in via the backdoor...

So the plan could be to bypass agencies, by using an agent

Guess we will need more info from Andy

[DaveB]

I've done a couple of pieces of direct work for the PS and it's been pretty straight forward. PO raised, work done, bill paid.

This was with smaller bodies though, local council level where the ;procurement processes are a bit more flexible. Trying to deal direct with big Departments is a different issue.

Depending on the model being proposed I can see Capita getting their knickers in a twist about someone trying to do an end run on their cosy little CL1 arrangement.

[Andy Hallett]

A lot of Public Sector clients won't necessarily already be able to contract with you directly, or indeed wish to.

We have gone through an extensive process to secure a place on the RM971 framework, that allows us to place contractors with circa 35,000 public sector organisations, giving them the surety that all the compliance checks required for those roles have been done (ironically this does include two references ).

If you can go direct, great, no need for us. If you can't, the idea was to make it a usable product that had value for you.

We await the result of the consultation into the off-payroll rules for April 2017, and the above is unrelated.

[Andy Hallett]

So just for clarity, you want us to identify vacancies for you and then cut you in?

You'll likely be able to charge it on top of your agreed rate.

I'd expect to be asked for two references.

Naturally

I assume this is to get around the Off-Payroll debacle that is on the horizon?

As we are unsure of what is happening yet, how does your plan work, or what is your plan?

N/A

Wouldn't that need you to change the PS's resourcing model which has only just been tightened up and is going to be very difficult to do?

No, we are supporting that tightened up model.