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    Agree completely with Lisa.

    There are remedies if you have been deceived. Lisa has mentioned some and I suspect Google will offer more.

    If you were sold the scheme via an agent you would have a case against them.

    You also need to perhaps examine, who stole from whom? If it is a case of the company retaining money which it was supposed to pay to HMRC and did not, then you are a victim of crime. If you actually received 90p in every £1 for the contract period when those on PAYE were receiving perhaps 70p in every £1, then arguably, you have stolen from them (or more correctly the taxpaying public)?

    The analogy is not good. Even your "naïve and careless" scenario is untenable.

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      If they pocketed your tax money, that's hard.

      See below to vent your rage in the right direction.

      Originally posted by blackHole View Post
      Dear..........

      Thank you for contacting the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) and for informing us that you suspect you have been the victim of fraud.

      After consideration of the information you have provided to us, we have concluded that this is not a matter which is appropriate for investigation by the SFO. Accordingly, no further action will be taken by us and I hope the following will help explain why this is so.

      The SFO is a relatively small, highly specialised government department that is permitted by law to investigate only those cases where there are reasonable grounds to suspect serious or complex fraud. For this reason, we take on only a small number of new cases each year and almost all of these are referred to us by the police or other law enforcement agencies.

      That is not to say that the matter you have reported is any less important or any less distressing for you as a victim. It is essential that suspected offences are investigated expeditiously and our intention in informing you that this is not a matter for the SFO is to reduce the delay in it being brought to the attention of the appropriate organisation.

      If you believe you are the victim of anything other than the most serious or complex fraud, you should normally pursue the matter through your local police force. The police have primary responsibility within the UK for investigating all types of criminality including fraud and other offences of dishonesty.

      Contact details for your local constabulary can be found in your telephone directory or online at UK police forces - Police.uk

      Alternatively, you may wish to pursue the matter through one of the following organisations who have responsibility for handling specific types of complaints:

      Department for Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS)
      One of the stated organisational objectives of BIS is ensuring markets work to the benefit of business, investors, employees and consumers. It also works to deter fraud by enforcing the relevant law. This includes dealing with misconduct or unscrupulous practices, whether or not this amounts to fraud. The Companies Investigation Branch (CIB) of BIS is responsible for investigating companies under the relevant company legislation. Where CIB uncovers evidence of criminal conduct the facts are generally referred to the police for investigation or to its own prosecution lawyers.

      You can contact CIB on or report a matter online at: CIB Complaint Form

      You may also wish to consider seeking independent legal advice from a firm of solicitors. They will be able to advise you of the best course of action and whether there are any remedies available to you. Free, confidential and independent legal advice for residents of England and Wales is available from Community Legal Advice, who can be contacted on 0845 345 4345.

      In certain situations the information you have provided may be retained on our intelligence database for future reference. Information which includes any personal data (such as your contact details) will only be processed, retained or disclosed in accordance with the principles laid down in the Data Protection Act 1998. Please be assured that all information you have provided will be handled professionally and with the utmost sensitivity.

      Once again, thank you for contacting the SFO and for bringing your concerns to our attention.

      Yours sincerely,
      ..............
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        Emotions are running high on this thread.

        I've removed the flame war going on and advise everyone to calm down.
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          Originally posted by Shabba
          3) Im not trying to blame.. I just want to justice as i was DECEIVED! Yes i was a mug to be deceived, but still i was deceived..
          Have you spoken to the police about the deception? If you have been defrauded, then there are legal remedies available to you - you just need to ask the SFO about how to get them to pursue this.

          Good luck.
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            Originally posted by LisaContractorUmbrella View Post
            HMRC can and do enter into settlement agreements which would at least allow you to settle your tax debt over a reasonable period.
            Just to clarify what Lisa is saying, she's just saying talk to HMRC and agree to settle your debt over time.

            The good old days of saying I owe you £50k but i've only got £20k take it or leave it are long gone. I tried that angle and it wasn't going to fly. These days HMRC are not allowed to enter into agreements like that. If you owe 50k, then that's what they want, not 40, not 45, but 50, and whilst I'm sure they would rather take less in a lump sum just to close it down, their hands are tied. They can't be seen to be settling disputes for less money than what's owed.

            Obviously the above is for the man on the street, we all know big business works in a different way (a la Goldmans) .

            Above all though Shabba, don't bury your head in the sand and think this isn't happening. If you're on the hook for a sum you can't pay, then as others have said, start seeking some reliable and impartial advice now, don't leave it until they're knocking on the door.

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              Originally posted by MrO666 View Post
              Just to clarify what Lisa is saying, she's just saying talk to HMRC and agree to settle your debt over time.

              The good old days of saying I owe you £50k but i've only got £20k take it or leave it are long gone. I tried that angle and it wasn't going to fly. These days HMRC are not allowed to enter into agreements like that. If you owe 50k, then that's what they want, not 40, not 45, but 50, and whilst I'm sure they would rather take less in a lump sum just to close it down, their hands are tied. They can't be seen to be settling disputes for less money than what's owed.

              Obviously the above is for the man on the street, we all know big business works in a different way (a la Goldmans) .

              Above all though Shabba, don't bury your head in the sand and think this isn't happening. If you're on the hook for a sum you can't pay, then as others have said, start seeking some reliable and impartial advice now, don't leave it until they're knocking on the door.
              One would hope that HMRC would give the people in this thread time to pay - but if there's been no arrests or trial it's difficult to prove that fraud has taken place and that they are different from any other scheme in this arena.
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                Originally posted by cojak View Post
                One would hope that HMRC would give the people in this thread time to pay - but if there's been no arrests or trial it's difficult to prove that fraud has taken place and that they are different from any other scheme in this arena.
                Did they help out the victims of Darren Upton when he stole the money? I'm not saying that the two situations are similar, but I'd be interested to know whether they gave people some time period grace when Darren ripped them off.
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                  Hang on, are we actually saying that the scheme promter appears to have ripped off the users, or is it just that the user (in this case Shabba) feels as though they have been ripped off ?

                  I've never know a scheme which paid copious amounts to HMRC on the users behalf.......as that would negate the point of the scheme in the first place.

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                    Originally posted by MrO666 View Post
                    Hang on, are we actually saying that the scheme promter appears to have ripped off the users, or is it just that the user (in this case Shabba) feels as though they have been ripped off ?

                    I've never know a scheme which paid copious amounts to HMRC on the users behalf.......as that would negate the point of the scheme in the first place.
                    Shabba feels that (s)he has been defrauded. If (s)he has been defrauded, then that must mean that the scheme provider stole their money, ie. they said that they would pay funds to HMRC and didn't. If that's the case, then there has been a fraud committed so the police should investigate and the CPS should prosecute. If that happens, then you would hope that HMRC would give the debtor some grace to pay.

                    The alternative is that the scheme provider operated exactly as they said they would, and Shabba feels aggrieved because they didn't understand what they were getting into. If that is what has happened, then there has been no crime so the police aren't interested. If that is true, then I wouldn't expect HMRC to be offering much support or sympathy for trying to avoid tax and getting caught.

                    I don't know anything about the scheme, but I suspect that the situation is the latter rather than the former.
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                      Originally posted by Iain-Le-Roi View Post
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