Bye PCG/ipse ...

[malvolio]

This is an interesting graph, it really shows the structural weakness of the UK as a whole, regardless of party:
Good luck with "that which must not be named".

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/natio...anceofpayments

Fascinating. As far as this cretin can determine, all those various graphs take a serioous nose dive shortly after Blair and Brown got into power. But hey, if it makes you happy.

[SueEllen]

That's an interesting one.

To be classed by HMRC as a professional organisation which allows full reclaiming of fess paid, each organisation needs to disclose their entire membership database to HMRC so they can verify that whoever is claiming the expense really is a member.

Are you suggesting that IPSE should hand over the membership database to HMRC to co-operate?

Yes he is.

So they can simply make the organisation bankrupt by investigating 2K members at a time.

[northernladyuk]

Perhaps if you stopped being a cretin I might stop calling you one.

To prove you are a cretin, look at this graph, which compares Tory and Labour debt from the 90s to 2007.
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/7...our-1997-2010/
What "positive balance" are you wittering on about?

Here are the numbers. Not that I think you are capable of processing them:

The UK’s sustained growth between 1997 and 2008 was fuelled by the importance of skills and new technology. Rather than just austerity, the government should focus on building human capital and innovation to support long-term growth. | British Poli

The balance of payments was way worse under Thatcher and has plummeted under the current lot of incompetents, even post recession.

He usually goes quiet after the debt graph. Maybe we will be more lucky this time.

[SueEllen]

Fascinating. As far as this cretin can determine, all those various graphs take a serioous nose dive shortly after Blair and Brown got into power. But hey, if it makes you happy.

Then it went up and did another serious one when Camoron and Gidiot got into power. Seems to say you should always have an accountant in charge.

Btw Blair and Brown have as much in common as Corbyn as a banana shares it's DNA with humans.

[sasguru]

Fascinating. As far as this cretin can determine, all those various graphs take a serioous nose dive shortly after Blair and Brown got into power. But hey, if it makes you happy.

Interesting that the balance of payments was nicely balanced (i.e. zero) in the 70s under a Labour government, even though most people remember that as a bad time economically.
But once manufacturing industry was decimated under Thatcher, it was game over, no way to pay our way.
Started plummeting from the 80s onwards, apart from some probably random blips here and there, it's being plummeting ever since.
Labour weren't perfect, far from it, but they basically colluded in the Tories destruction of manufacturing while elevating the financial industry.
How do they get into power? It was by Blair kissing the City's arse and promising to let it rip.

[malvolio]

Interesting that the balance of payments was nicely balanced (i.e. zero) in the 70s under a Labour government, even though most people remember that as a bad time economically.
But once manufacturing industry was decimated under Thatcher, it was game over, no way to pay our way.
Started plummeting from the 80s onwards, apart from some probably random blips here and there, it's being plummeting ever since.
Labour weren't perfect, far from it, but they basically colluded in the Tories destruction of manufacturing while elevating the financial industry.
How do they get into power? It was by Blair kissing the City's arse and promising to let it rip.

If you don't make stuff, or make it so badly that nobody wants it in the UK much less overseas, and can't import stuff because your people can't afford to buy it due to ruinous interest rates and currency controls, then of course the balance of payments will level off. Britain in the 70s was anything but a success story. Industry was decimated by the Unions, not the government; go read the obits of Derek Robinson for one explanation how that happened. By the time the unions were emasculated (by Thatcher facing them down mainly, we had already lost the game and other suppliers took over. Switching to a service economy was the only option.

History really isn't your strong point, is it?

[sasguru]

If you don't make stuff, or make it so badly that nobody wants it in the UK much less overseas, and can't import stuff because your people can't afford to buy it due to ruinous interest rates and currency controls, then of course the balance of payments will level off. Britain in the 70s was anything but a success story. Industry was decimated by the Unions, not the government; go read the obits of Derek Robinson for one explanation how that happened. By the time the unions were emasculated (by Thatcher facing them down mainly, we had already lost the game and other suppliers took over. Switching to a service economy was the only option.

History really isn't your strong point, is it?

So in your Narnia-world, the Tories are shining paragons of virtue who've not made any serious policy errors?
Reality isn't your strong point, is it?

[BrilloPad]

So in your Narnia-world, the Tories are shining paragons of virtue who've not made any serious policy errors?
Reality isn't your strong point, is it?

Are you feeling okay? Your posts make sense today.

Both main parties are f**kwits.

[malvolio]

So in your Narnia-world, the Tories are shining paragons of virtue who've not made any serious policy errors?
Reality isn't your strong point, is it?

I didn't say that. However they have made fewer cockups than Labour over the years.

[BrilloPad]

Then it went up and did another serious one when Camoron and Gidiot got into power. Seems to say you should always have an accountant in charge.

Btw Blair and Brown have as much in common as Corbyn as a banana shares it's DNA with humans.

So about 50% then.