The more sinister side of Brexit

[bobspud]

Hey guys lets move the topic on to the fact that the Austrians just got a right wing government bordering on the Nazi party?

Hows that going to work out for the EU in the long run?

It seems to me that there is a common sentiment sweeping through Europe and its not very pretty...

We just need a facist in power in Italy and we have more or less lined up the same set of ideology issues that led to WW2

[sasguru]

Hey guys lets move the topic on to the fact that the Austrians just got a right wing government bordering on the Nazi party?

Hows that going to work out for the EU in the long run?

It seems to me that there is a common sentiment sweeping through Europe and its not very pretty...

We just need a facist in power in Italy and we have more or less lined up the same set of ideology issues that led to WW2

Why do you think the UK is immune?
Didn't UKIP have a speaker from AfD at their conference the other day?
Isn't Brexit really a nationalist spasm?
Or Trump in the US?
This is an issue of the West in decline and looking for easy answers, it's not at all specific to the EU.
And if a no deal hard Brexit causes economic chaos I can quite easily see a far right party eventually taking power here.

[sasguru]

Actually thinking about it the country most to be feared in terms of a rightward fascist lurch - in the matter of how it would affect us - is the US.
And it's happening just as we look like becioming the de facto 51st state, post Brexit.
I think the Europeans will always have their idiots, but due to what happened last time, the majority would think twice.
That's not the case in the US

[northernladyuk]

Hey guys lets move the topic on to the fact that the Austrians just got a right wing government bordering on the Nazi party?

Hows that going to work out for the EU in the long run?

It seems to me that there is a common sentiment sweeping through Europe and its not very pretty...

We just need a facist in power in Italy and we have more or less lined up the same set of ideology issues that led to WW2

Most of the Brexiteers have been cheering on the Wilders / Le Pen fascists.

[original PM]

Why do you think the UK is immune?
Didn't UKIP have a speaker from AfD at their conference the other day?
Isn't Brexit really a nationalist spasm?
Or Trump in the US?
This is an issue of the West in decline and looking for easy answers, it's not at all specific to the EU.
And if a no deal hard Brexit causes economic chaos I can quite easily see a far right party eventually taking power here.

Millions of people invading your country and threatening your way of life is not a good thing.

And when the very people who are supposed to be protecting you are encouraging it then you would expect some form of backlash I would expect.

Would the migrant crisis in Europe have happened or if the first few boats were left to flounder and the people die?

If no politicians were waxing lyrical about immigrants being welcome in Europe ,would there have been the flood of people paying to be illegally trafficked to Europe if they knew they would be told to fook off upon arrival?

The fact is that a lot of the native europeans have been let down by their own government and the EU - you may possibly argue that the governments and EU were trying to do the right thing.

But then you could also argue that a parent who always gives in to their children when they have a tantrum are doing the right thing in that in the short term it stops the tantrum - but in the long term it instills the wrong sort of values and behaviour.

[sasguru]

Anyway the Austrians have always been fascist-inclined. Remember Jorg Haider in the 1990s - he got loads of votes too.

[sasguru]

Would the migrant crisis in Europe have happened or if the first few boats were left to flounder and the people die?

...you may possibly argue that the governments and EU were trying to do the right thing....

.... but in the long term it instills the wrong sort of values and behaviour.

So in your view the correct sort of behaviour is to let desperate people fleeing war flounder and die.
Interesting.

[darmstadt]

Speaking with some Austrians yesterday, you'll find that the party who won are very similar to the German CDU/CSU party which in turn is very similar to the UK Conservative party. Most people in the UK have absolutely no knowledge of European politics, or even Europe come to that, apart from what they read in a biased media which in turn has led to the situation that the UK is in now...

[original PM]

So in your view the correct sort of behaviour is to let desperate people fleeing war flounder and die.
Interesting.

Really and they were all fleeing war and not economic migrants then?

[Lance]

Really and they were all fleeing war and not economic migrants then?

you guys like it all black and white don't you. Makes it much easier to justify your opinion.

Maybe. Just maybe some are (it's still happening even if TwatFarage isn't on TV every day) economic migrants, some are fleeing war, some are fleeing criminal gangs, some are fleeing religious persecution, and some are terrorists coming here to blow us up.
Either way the answer isn't simple. In fact there isn't really an answer. We can't just let them drown. We can't just let them in. We can't fix where they are. We can't really do much other than work collectively, with as many groups around the world as possible to make everywhere a better place to live.

Twats who voted Brexit as a solution to this are thick as mince cupid stunts.