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    #31
    Originally posted by BR14 View Post
    that's try TO get, not try AND get.

    you can be summed up with elegant simplicity though:

    twat
    Seems like you're the pedantic (and incorrect) twat:

    Try to get over “try and” | Macmillan Dictionary Blog
    Hard Brexit now!
    #prayfornodeal

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      #32
      Originally posted by WTFH View Post
      But you consider the Tory way of 0% Tax if you're really big business, and screw the small businesses?
      ...because we daren't tax big businesses in case they leave the country.
      No it's not acceptable, having tax havens e.g. British Virgin Islands is unjustified and an embarrasment TBH. Tax for big business needs to be fair but it needs to be fair across the globe otherwise big business will just move to wherever they can get away with paying hardly anything. This is where the UN or WTO needs to step up to the plate.
      Originally posted by Nigel Farage MEP - 2016-06-24 04:00:00
      "I hope this victory brings down this failed project and leads us to a Europe of sovereign nation states, trading together, being friends together, cooperating together, and let's get rid of the flag, the anthem, Brussels, and all that has gone wrong."

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        #33
        Originally posted by sasguru View Post
        So just out of interest do you want to leave the single market and the customs union i.e. a hard Brexit. Or more like a Norway model i.e. a soft Brexit?
        Hard to say as it depends on what other conditions and suchlike are attached when the negotiations conclude. If the EU stance was a granite "No Single Market access without Free Movement of People" then I'd say no Single Market, and revert to WTO.

        If they said "No Single Market access without Free Movement of Skilled Labour" then I'd say "Sounds fair, Single Market it is!"
        Originally posted by Nigel Farage MEP - 2016-06-24 04:00:00
        "I hope this victory brings down this failed project and leads us to a Europe of sovereign nation states, trading together, being friends together, cooperating together, and let's get rid of the flag, the anthem, Brussels, and all that has gone wrong."

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          #34
          Fact is a hard Brexit would ruin Britain.
          If that wasn't the case, we'd be gone a long time ago.
          As it is no one has come up with a plan a year after the referendum.
          We look like a laughing stock on the world stage
          Last edited by sasguru; 10 August 2017, 09:54.
          Hard Brexit now!
          #prayfornodeal

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            #35
            Originally posted by rl4engc View Post
            No it's not acceptable, having tax havens e.g. British Virgin Islands is unjustified and an embarrasment TBH. Tax for big business needs to be fair but it needs to be fair across the globe otherwise big business will just move to wherever they can get away with paying hardly anything. This is where the UN or WTO needs to step up to the plate.
            Oh, so now it's not the EU that are evil but the UN and WTO.

            If Britain wants to go it alone, Britain needs to grow up and take responsibility.
            Britain will get nowhere if it is just jumping from blaming one group to blaming the next.
            "Britain can't tighten up its borders because of the EU" (false)
            "Britain can't make its own laws because of the EU" (false)
            "Britain can't tax big businesses because of the UN/WTO" (false)

            You say politicians are in it to make money, well unfortunately the ones running the UK are like the worst project managers - rather than trying to find solutions, all they are doing is trying to find who to blame for their own inability to deliver.
            And the worst thing about it is that the politicians and media feed the stories out to keep the fear, hatred and blaming of "others" going as strongly as possible, because that's what they want.

            Solving problems is far harder than blaming others, so take the easy way out.
            …Maybe we ain’t that young anymore

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              #36
              Originally posted by BR14 View Post
              that's try TO get, not try AND get
              Both are correct usage, especially colloquially (and it's not uncommon for colloquial English to be the norm of online forums).

              You can find similar constructions in the King James Bible (one of the major influences on modern English), so it has good precedence. It appears to a form of multiple word verb, similar to a hendiadys, in the style of to "rant and rave". So to "try and get". Here, the whole verb is "try and get". It's almost another grammatical case - it's certainly quite an ancient construction. It works in the imperative, not so much in the present. "He tries and gets home" doesn't really work.
              Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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                #37
                Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by BR14 View Post
                  UTTER twat
                  he's growing on you!
                  Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by sasguru View Post
                    We look like a laughing stock on the world stage
                    I bow to your extensive expertise in that arena.
                    Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
                      Both are correct usage, especially colloquially (and it's not uncommon for colloquial English to be the norm of online forums).

                      You can find similar constructions in the King James Bible (one of the major influences on modern English), so it has good precedence. It appears to a form of multiple word verb, similar to a hendiadys, in the style of to "rant and rave". So to "try and get". Here, the whole verb is "try and get". It's almost another grammatical case - it's certainly quite an ancient construction. It works in the imperative, not so much in the present. "He tries and gets home" doesn't really work.
                      Arguably "try to get" means attempting but not yet obtaining, and "try and get" means to strive and as a result obtain.

                      If that is so then strictly speaking using the second to mean the first is wrong.
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