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    If you're at the top of your game, why would you have a rant about women and minorities? Only unfocused mediocrities would do that.
    FWIW I haven't worked with many women techies but all that I have worked with have been at least above average and a couple exceptional.
    On the other hand there have been many crap men.
    So it seems to me that coding is simply something than men self-select for, regardless of their ability, but given all the cultural and other barriers that are in place against women coming into the industry, those who do so have more passion and interest in the subject than the average man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasguru View Post
    If you're at the top of your game, why would you have a rant about women and minorities? Only unfocused mediocrities would do that.
    FWIW I haven't worked with many women techies but all that I have worked with have been at least above average and a couple exceptional.
    On the other hand there have been many crap men.
    So it seems to me that coding is simply something than men self-select for, regardless of their ability, but given all the cultural and other barriers that are in place against women coming into the industry, those who do so have more passion and interest in the subject than the average man.
    Possibly true.. once upon a time that applied to men also.. before IT got popular (golden days )
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    He almost got the differences but he committed a terrible mistake for not saying that women are smarter than men.
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    It would be amusing if our alt-right friends deny that privately owned companies in the USA should have the right to fire workers for breaches of company policy, and that workers should have nanny state protection against this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SueEllen View Post
    One of the guys he mentions says he's talking tulip*- https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...ex-differences

    *My terminology for "my research doesn't back that up"
    Wait a minute. Where does this researcher disagree with the memo?

    I think his only point of contention is whether various action to encourage women to join Google is worthwhile. Everything else he seems to be backing the guy up on..
    Last edited by jds 1981; 10th August 2017 at 14:39. Reason: Correcting affirmative action point as it is actually more general, then correcting being to backing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jds 1981 View Post
    Wait a minute. Where does this researcher disagree with the memo?

    I think his only point of contention is whether various action to encourage women to join Google is worthwhile. Everything else he seems to be backing the guy up on..
    Where he says "Still, it is not clear to me how such sex differences are relevant to the Google workplace ...Using someone’s biological sex to essentialize an entire group of people’s personality is like surgically operating with an axe. Not precise enough to do much good, probably will cause a lot of harm".
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    It sounds like he was a fool for criticising Google per se, especially as they were his employer.

    He'd have done better, and adequately made his point, by posting on his own blog a general critique of positive discrimination (assuming that was his point - I haven't read his long-winded article.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasguru View Post
    Where he says "Still, it is not clear to me how such sex differences are relevant to the Google workplace ...Using someone’s biological sex to essentialize an entire group of people’s personality is like surgically operating with an axe. Not precise enough to do much good, probably will cause a lot of harm".
    That isn't disagreement though? I guess it is the closest but you could find in the whole page of him backing up the guys claims


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    In my view, claiming that sex differences exist in negative emotionality is not an "incorrect assumption about gender." It is an empirically well-supported claim (at least, based on the best psychological science we have so far).
    So in agreement. The bit you quoted is where he then says that you cannot make a prediction on one person based on their gender from the 'average' which also agrees with the original memo?

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