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As a lifelong Tory I'm disgusted with the Tory party

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    #51
    Originally posted by Pip in a Poke View Post
    WHAT next one??
    Be afraid.

    The blob is getting bigger.

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      #52
      be very afraid....

      The Tories are in disarray, the only reason they're not holding a new GE is that they've no idea how to win it, but the longer they prop up a "ghost" the more unpopular the Tories will become as no-one wants a weak PM.

      they have a big dilemma.
      I'm alright Jack

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        #53
        The one thing that makes this entire current situation so ridiculous is the following:

        It was an ADVISORY referendum! If we were knowingly voting for a definitive referendum I'm sure the response from many people would be different and accepting of the result.

        For some reason we are all simply pursuing a route based on an advisory method. Technically it does make a lot of difference. If the Tories wanted to go along with acting on the result why did they choose an advisory referendum?

        Numerous EU nationals have mentioned this to me and I only now realise their distaste for it. It makes the whole situation appear even more as a smokescreen.

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          #54
          Originally posted by AtW View Post
          Democratic PROCESS is a PROCESS, not a FINAL VOTE (one party likes) FOREVER!
          Advisory referendum. Advisory. That was their main error - should have made it binding then all of us here would be more accepting of the result. As it stands, there is zero contractual reason to 'do' anything with the the referendum result. That isn't going against the democratic process, but is instead observing democracy: it was for advisory purposes of informing parliament. Was a result referenced for either possible vote? No.

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            #55
            Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
            Perhaps a national unity government is needed.
            National Unity Government Guiding Euro Transition Smoothly

            Or NUGGETS for short.
            “The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”

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              #56
              Originally posted by contractorinatractor View Post
              Advisory referendum. Advisory. That was their main error - should have made it binding then all of us here would be more accepting of the result. As it stands, there is zero contractual reason to 'do' anything with the the referendum result. That isn't going against the democratic process, but is instead observing democracy: it was for advisory purposes of informing parliament. Was a result referenced for either possible vote? No.
              1) Binding
              2) 2/3 majority is required with minimum turnout of at least 2/3.

              But before that Brexit should have been defined what is it before it was put to vote, most important any deal should be approved by referendum.

              Then it would have been fine.

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                #57
                Originally posted by AtW View Post
                1) Binding
                2) 2/3 majority is required with minimum turnout of at least 2/3.

                But before that Brexit should have been defined what is it before it was put to vote, most important any deal should be approved by referendum.

                Then it would have been fine.
                So how about we call a Second Referendum and use your criteria? A 2/3 decision one way or the other or we simply maintain the status quo and push on with Brexit?
                “The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by sasguru View Post
                  The first thing the Tories should do is form a cross-party negotiating team for Brexit.
                  This is too important an issue for ideas to come from just one party - it's akin to a national emergency.
                  There is no need for that. Whoever wins, Labour or Tories, will continue with Brexit.
                  You're awesome! Get yourself a t-shirt.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by shaunbhoy View Post
                    So how about we call a Second Referendum and use your criteria? A 2/3 decision one way or the other or we simply maintain the status quo and push on with Brexit?
                    I am totally fine with the second referendum, subject to the above requirements.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by squarepeg View Post
                      There is no need for that. Whoever wins, Labour or Tories, will continue with Brexit.
                      They're both scared of losing votes to each other. The Tories won't be realistic on Brexit because they think the public (who they've decided all want Brexit at all costs) will vote Labour, and Labour think the same if they don't say the same as the Tories. A cross party committee* would at least mean both sides could come back from the brink and present a joint front for not being stupid about it, and they only have to worry about losing roughly equal amounts of votes to UKIP, which with FPTP doesn't matter in the slightest.

                      *I know. It would never work.
                      Will work inside IR35. Or for food.

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