Explosion in Manchester

[InsertWittyNameHere555]

In 1914 when the 1st World War started all Germans living in France were ask/told to leave - those that did not were put in POW camps.

You can say that many of them were harmless and would not have taken up arms against the French - many may have been living in France for a while and may have felt there were more French than German.

ISIS has declared war on the UK and they claim they represent Islam.

What therefore is the correct response?

The French surrender?

[PurpleGorilla]

Explosion in Manchester

In 1914 when the 1st World War started all Germans living in France were ask/told to leave - those that did not were put in POW camps.

You can say that many of them were harmless and would not have taken up arms against the French - many may have been living in France for a while and may have felt there were more French than German.

ISIS has declared war on the UK and they claim they represent Islam.

What therefore is the correct response?

Not repeating the lessons of history would be a good start.

Consider how we are tackling smoking. We ban it from public places and buildings, we restrict the sales of it, and arrest those who commit illegal smuggling acts associated with it; we culturally and socially 'demonise' it, and highlight the harm. All of this, and the rest of it has helped reduce the amount of smoking. Seems like a similar approach is the way to address religious extremism. We do much of this already, but what is absolutely essential is that we can have an honest and open dialogue about it, and not fall foul of rash judgements and bigotry.

[northernladyuk]

In 1914 when the 1st World War started all Germans living in France were ask/told to leave - those that did not were put in POW camps.

You can say that many of them were harmless and would not have taken up arms against the French - many may have been living in France for a while and may have felt there were more French than German.

ISIS has declared war on the UK and they claim they represent Islam.

What therefore is the correct response?

The correct response is to recognise that ISIS does not represent Islam and then to act against those who support ISIS.

Just as the correct response to the Provisional IRA, which claimed to represent the Irish Republic (NB, not the state of 'Ireland' aka 'Republic of Ireland - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_R...ican_tradition) and Irish people, was to act against those who support the IRA, and not to act against Irish people or people of Irish descent in the UK.

HTH

[northernladyuk]

Not repeating the lessons of history would be a good start.

Consider how we are tackling smoking. We ban it from public places and buildings, we restrict the sales of it, and arrest those who commit illegal smuggling acts associated with it; we culturally and socially 'demonise' it, and highlight the harm. All of this, and the rest of it has helped reduce the amount of smoking. Seems like a similar approach is the way to address religious extremism. We do much of this already, but what is absolutely essential is that we can have an honest and open dialogue about it, and not fall foul of rash judgements and bigotry.

Look at you, all grown up!

[PurpleGorilla]

Look at you, all grown up!

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[InsertWittyNameHere555]

In 1914 when the 1st World War started all Germans living in France were ask/told to leave - those that did not were put in POW camps.

You can say that many of them were harmless and would not have taken up arms against the French - many may have been living in France for a while and may have felt there were more French than German.

ISIS has declared war on the UK and they claim they represent Islam.

What therefore is the correct response?

A better, possibly more unpleasant analogy would be the IRA and the Troubles, peace* was only finally achieved with the Good Friday Agreement after sitting down and negotiating with the terrorists, or their political representatives after an eighty year struggle (1916 - 1997), do we have that time with ISIS, probably not, do we have the political representatives to negotiate with, no what we do have is a target and a **** load of bombs so we will just continue to blow the tulip out of them until we can think of something better









*peace in NI is a subjective word, people are still getting knee capped, sectarianism is still strife, but now the bickering and arguing is also in Stormont too

[The_Equalizer]

The correct response is to recognise that ISIS does not represent Islam and then to act against those who support ISIS.

Just as the correct response to the Provisional IRA, which claimed to represent the Irish Republic (NB, not the state of 'Ireland' aka 'Republic of Ireland - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_R...ican_tradition) and Irish people, was to act against those who support the IRA, and not to act against Irish people or people of Irish descent in the UK.

HTH

Trouble is a significant number of people voted for Sinn Fein even at the height of the troubles including those in the south. Prior to 1968 both 'communities' lived side-by-side in Northern Ireland ( from memory RoI was 97% Catholic at that point). All that was turned on its head in very short space of time. So I suggest, that once the ball starts rolling it doesn't really matter what the majority wish or believe.

[northernladyuk]

A better, possibly more unpleasant analogy would be the IRA and the Troubles, peace* was only finally achieved with the Good Friday Agreement after sitting down and negotiating with the terrorists, or their political representatives after an eighty year struggle (1916 - 1997), do we have that time with ISIS, probably not, do we have the political representatives to negotiate with, no what we do have is a target and a **** load of bombs so we will just continue to blow the tulip out of them until we can think of something better









*peace in NI is a subjective word, people are still getting knee capped, sectarianism is still strife, but now the bickering and arguing is also in Stormont too

Well I don't agree there. The IRA had a declared primary goal around a united Ireland, but there were other drivers to the terrorist campaign, which could be addressed without ceding a united Ireland against the will of the NI majority. These included 'civil rights' for Catholics, reform of the RUC into PSNI, power sharing in Stormont, and a limited role for the Irish government.

It is very hard to see how any agreement can be reached with ISIS and their medieval caliphate. The ****ers just need to be defeated, as hard as that is. The West might of course look at how they don't contribute to the conditions from which another ISIS arises. And there is also the need to look at radicalisation and the factors that sit behind that in young Muslim men in the West.

[PurpleGorilla]

Well I don't agree there. The IRA had a declared primary goal around a united Ireland, but there were other drivers to the terrorist campaign, which could be addressed without ceding a united Ireland against the will of the NI majority. These included 'civil rights' for Catholics, reform of the RUC into PSNI, power sharing in Stormont, and a limited role for the Irish government.

It is very hard to see how any agreement can be reached with ISIS and their medieval caliphate. The ****ers just need to be defeated, as hard as that is. The West might of course look at how they don't contribute to the conditions from which another ISIS arises. And there is also the need to look at radicalisation and the factors that sit behind that in young Muslim men in the West.

Agreed - ISIS are more like the NAZIs - pure evil.

[diseasex]

Agreed - ISIS are more like the NAZIs - pure evil.

after ISIS there will be more islamic groups that cause terror. Just as it was pre ISIS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rorist_attacks