Scotland might be poorer than the UK right now but post-Brexit maybe they'd be better off escaping the mess!
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Scottish Referendum Part 2 - Electric Boogaloo
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Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishing -
Originally posted by chopper View PostYou don't see a problem with a rising population of pensioners, and a shrinking population of people working to pay taxes to give said rising pensioner population an actual pension? Or indeed any of the other stuff that many pensioners need, e.g. social care, increasing demand on the health service?I'm alright JackComment
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View PostI simply take the facts as they come. Here's a trick question for you: what countries in Europe would have a larger deficit than an independent Scotland? If you're ready for a monumental fiscal consolidation, I wish you all the best. My guess is that the SNP won't be arguing for that position, but the voters will understand that as the choice on offer. IMHO, this is the beginning of the end of the SNP.
I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse, however, Scotland remains one of the wealthiest countries in the world. The UK is operating at 91% debt to GDP. No room for manoeuvre. No wonder the UK government doesn't want to loose Scotland.
Don't take my word for it, a government instead:
http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0044/00446019.pdf
"The figures show that tax revenues generated in 2012-13 were £800 higher per head in Scotland compared with the UK, meaning that now for every one of the last 33 years, tax receipts have been higher in Scotland than the UK."Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark TwainComment
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Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostThat is definitely going to be a huge problem for Scotland if it stays in the UK, and is a key reason that the UK will turn to "poo". Staying in the UK is definitely not going to solve the problem for Scotland. At least as an independent country they have the ability to solve it.The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't existComment
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Gotta love Scooter's new sig.
a)It's factually incorrect.
b)"You just had one" would be more apt...
London : 'we're holding a referendum to leave the Eureopean union
EU: 'OK'
Scotland: 'we're holding a referendum to leave the UK union'
London: 'Well you just had one with our blessing, but sure only let's sort out the EU one first eh?'.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by scooterscot View PostDon't take my word for it, a government instead:
http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0044/00446019.pdf
""The figures show that tax revenues generated in 2012-13 were £800 higher per head in Scotland compared with the UK, meaning that now for every one of the last 33 years, tax receipts have been higher in Scotland than the UK."
Additionally, public expenditure per head in Scotland was £12,300 compared to £11,000 for rUK. So even with the generous oil allowance, Scotland's claim to receive more than £800 per head is offset by the £1300 per head extra expense.
Daily question: How much does Scotland pay in tax and how much does it spend? - BBC News
Of course, we are using stats from 2012/2013, before the previous referendum, which was all about "We've got all this valuable oil, we can spend spend spend on bringing you all the land of milk and honey". In 2015/16, tax receipts from UK oil and gas production were actually -£24m.
North Sea receipts hit record low - BBC News
So far:
Independence, but we want to be in the EU (and no guarantee that will happen - Scotland want to join the 20 strong night out of nations who like to drink beer but don't take their wallets with them)
Independence, but we still want economic policy dictated in London because we still want to use the pound. Or maybe the Euro, eventually, maybe.
Independence because look how much oil money Scotland may have made five years ago, lets ignore the oil losses attributable to the same region more recently...
Independence, but we have a shrinking working age population and a rising pensioner population.Taking a break from contractingComment
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Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostThat is definitely going to be a huge problem for Scotland if it stays in the UK, and is a key reason that the UK will turn to "poo". Staying in the UK is definitely not going to solve the problem for Scotland. At least as an independent country they have the ability to solve it.His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...Comment
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Originally posted by d000hg View Post
London: 'Well you just had one with our blessing, but sure only let's sort out the EU one first eh?'.[/I]
1) You maintain a fee equivalent to membership (but have no say in)
2) Free movement continues
3) No trade agreements outside the EU with which the EU already trades with."Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark TwainComment
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Originally posted by chopper View PostThis figure is distorted because 84.2% of tax raised from oil and gas was attributed to Scotland, and this was at a time when oil was at $85-$95 a barrel. Strip out the £5.5bn of tax receipts for oil, and Scotland's per head tax take was lower than the UK average. .
Just gets worse."Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark TwainComment
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Originally posted by chopper View PostThis figure is distorted because 84.2% of tax raised from oil and gas was attributed to Scotland, and this was at a time when oil was at $85-$95 a barrel. Strip out the £5.5bn of tax receipts for oil, and Scotland's per head tax take was lower than the UK averageOriginally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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