Scottish Referendum Part 2 - Electric Boogaloo

[tomtomagain]

Let's face it, Scotland would vote yes to independence tomorrow even if it meant all its ancient volcanos sprung into life the following day.

In that case it is the duty of the English, as a caring, compassionate people, to protect the Scots from themselves. After all, think of the wee children and their futures. Living in a land covered in molten lava is no place to bring up a bairn.

Not least because otherwise Newcastle would be overrun by refugees trying to flee from the pyroclastic flow.

[scooterscot]

After Brexit I know I will be paid in pounds and that will match my debt that is in pounds, I also know who the lender of last resort on that currency is and that they have been operational for 300 years.

So why did the UK have to approach the IMF in 76 for a bailout if the bank of the last resort was on its doorstep? Turns out that bank you defend had to go hand in cap to another.

See what I did there? Debunked your argument with a question. Too easy. But I don't care for that. It is of more interest why we defend the protagonist. Some form of Stockholm syndrome, perhaps.

[scooterscot]

In that case it is the duty of the English, as a caring, compassionate people, to protect the Scots from themselves. After all, think of the wee children and their futures. Living in a land covered in molten lava is no place to bring up a bairn.

Not least because otherwise Newcastle would be overrun by refugees trying to flee from the pyroclastic flow.

I feel sorry for the refugees. The accent they'd pick up would make them incomprehensible. On the plus side getting a bit of drunken nookie would be easy.

[minestrone]

"the will of Scotland" "Scotland's will" "the democratic choice of Scotland" "Scotland's mandate" "democratic outrage"

[Mordac]

So why did the UK have to approach the IMF in 76 for a bailout if the bank of the last resort was on its doorstep? Turns out that bank you defend had to go hand in cap to another.

See what I did there? Debunked your argument with a question. Too easy. But I don't care for that. It is of more interest why we defend the protagonist. Some form of Stockholm syndrome, perhaps.

Because we had a Labour Government who splurged the lot. There, wasn't so difficult.
Btw, are you currently crowdfunding for a spellchecker, because as a committed Europhile, you really ought to be able to spell "European" (as in your shiny new sig) or there's a danger people might not take you seriously...

[Batcher]

Well I predict that there will not be another referendum. There won't be a majority of nationalists in Holyrood by the time they will be allowed to have once as their record in government has been truly appalling.

Yeah. That's why they've been the Scottish government after 3 elections and got 46% of the vote at the last one. That's more than the Tories and Labour put together.

There will be another referendum in 2018/2019 before the UK actually leaves the EU. All those EU Nationals who voted No last time because they were told they would have to leave if Scotland got Indy will now vote Yes to stay in the EU. That's around 180,000 Yes votes swinging from No. That's the reason May wants it after Brexit happens so these people will be disenfranchised from voting in the referendum.

Last time Yes started at 28%, this time we start at 46% with more coming over as the terms of Brexit become clear they are a bad deal.

Also, May wants to be able to trade Scottish fishing waters and agriculture in any deal. If Scotland are showing signs of leaving the UK, the EU27 knows that she doesn't have them in her powers to trade .

[Batcher]

It was a TORY OWNED yougov poll ya ******* plum!!

FTFY

[Batcher]

Personally I just don't see why the nationalists hate England so much..

We don't hate England, or the English. But you knew that.

Scotland is all inclusive. It's not where you were born but where you want to be.

Campaign relaunches to sway English Scots to vote Yes (From The National)

[Batcher]

As have said at least once before, I have sympathy with the Scottish desire for more self determination but not sure that is going to be helped by leaving a union in which they have significant influence and trying to join one in which they will have almost none. The Euro rules will force them to abandon the socialist agenda they seem to believe in. Their GDP is below that of Denmark but debts are far higher. Their future in the EU, if they manage it, will be of Greece-.

Are you serious? How can 56 Scottish MPs influence an English majority of almost 600 MPs? Remember David Cameron on 19th September 2014 declaring EVEL? Have you ever watched Scottish Questions at Westminster where English Tory MPs get to talk longer than the actual Scottish MPs?

The SNP were the only party to produce a document about what Scotland would require out of Brexit negotiations and May didn't even read it. One part was getting a special deal for Scotland to stay in the single market. May declared we were all leaving the single market without even telling the Scottish government she was going to say it. Yet she gives special deals to London, NI and even Nissan.

Sturgeon has said in the past that voters were not fully informed on consequences of Brexit. Ok, so surely it would make sense to see what Brexit brings before seeking this breakup in the UK? Then the Scots could see more clearly what the alternatives are.

We will see clearly by Autumn 2018 what is on offer from Brexit.

Naturally, she does not want to do that. If Brexit is not the disaster some say it will be, that could scupper her chances. She would rather put the whole negotiation at risk at immense cost to all of us.

Like so many politicians, Sturgeon is an egocentric zealot, pursuing her aims without proper thought to the consequences. There is little evidence she actually gives a damn about the Scottish people.

Don't kid yourself. Brexit is going to be a disaster. Nicola Sturgeon obviously gives more of a damn about Scottish people than May and her Tories will ever do.

[TestMangler]

It was a yougov poll ya ******* plum!!

The sad thing is that I think you actually believe that a YouGov poll and the results of two elections carry the same weight.