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    #51
    Originally posted by darmstadt View Post

    I presume this also includes Lotus? A Peugeot Lotus, can see that breaking down often


    FTFY
    Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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      #52
      Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
      Didn't PSA buy Talbot? Remember them...

      I presume this also includes Lotus? A Peugeot Lotus, can see that selling well
      You mean, like the Sunbeam Lotus?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysl..._Sunbeam_Lotus

      Peugeot, Chrysler and Lotus all in one.

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        #53
        Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
        Didn't PSA buy Talbot? Remember them...

        I presume this also includes Lotus? A Peugeot Lotus, can see that selling well

        They did indeed. It was actually Rootes Group when they bought it and they eventually closed it all down, something the Remainers seem to be claiming couldn't possibly happen if we were in the EU. However, it did happen when we were in the EU.

        To be fair, one of the Rootes factories was Linwood and that needed closing down. A factory hundreds of miles away from the successful English car industry, forced on Rootes by socialist meddlers in government to give the workshy Weegees an opportunity to fail at car building after failing at ship building. It went in the early 80s after twenty years of almost continuous strikes but Ryton in Coventry lasted until the reign of Gordon the Mad.

        The problem is there are too many car factories in Europe. The obvious solution would be to close down the French car industry because they build crap that no-one would miss but the EU turns a blind eye to the French government blatantly propping up the industry.

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          #54
          Originally posted by GreyWolf View Post
          They did indeed. It was actually Rootes Group when they bought it and they eventually closed it all down, something the Remainers seem to be claiming couldn't possibly happen if we were in the EU. However, it did happen when we were in the EU.
          Noone is saying that if UK had stayed in the EU the Vauxhall factories would have been save. Just that the would have been safer than now.

          Originally posted by GreyWolf View Post
          To be fair, one of the Rootes factories was Linwood and that needed closing down. A factory hundreds of miles away from the successful English car industry, forced on Rootes by socialist meddlers in government to give the workshy Weegees an opportunity to fail at car building after failing at ship building. It went in the early 80s after twenty years of almost continuous strikes but Ryton in Coventry lasted until the reign of Gordon the Mad.
          Same will be valid for the Vauxhall factories post brexit - they will be hundreds of miles away from the successful EU car industry and behind import/export tariffs.

          Originally posted by GreyWolf View Post
          The problem is there are too many car factories in Europe. The obvious solution would be to close down the French car industry because they build crap that no-one would miss but the EU turns a blind eye to the French government blatantly propping up the industry.
          The obvious solution is to close the defectors factories, as for propping the industry you might want to look into the deal the UK government did with Nissan, I'm sure no propping was involved there...

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            #55
            Originally posted by GreyWolf View Post
            The obvious solution would be to close down the French car industry because they build crap that no-one would miss.
            They've changed recently and you can see the glimmer of quality beginning to come through. Hence their recent sales rises.
            The new 3008 is quite a good car and DS is bringing out some much better models
            So propping up the French industry was strategically the right move by their government, since they're left with something and we're left with nowt.
            Hard Brexit now!
            #prayfornodeal

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              #56
              Last Vauxhall I had was a chavalier.

              Does anyone by them apart from hire car firms?

              Does anyone like Vauxhall?
              http://www.cih.org/news-article/disp...housing_market

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                #57
                Originally posted by GreyWolf View Post
                The obvious solution would be to close down the French car industry because they build crap that no-one would miss but the EU turns a blind eye to the French government blatantly propping up the industry.
                Get with the times son. PSA is now backed by the Chinese concern Donfeng. PSA's largest market is China. According to Bloomberg,, PSA is the most profitable 'western' car manufacturer at 6% of turnover, overshadowing Renault S.A.'s healthy 4.7%. Better than any German or U.S. maker.

                Still here's a picture of a Triumph Spitfire.



                Went out of production in 1980. The British-owned mass car industry that is. Oh, and the delightful Triumph too. #TakingBackControl

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by PurpleGorilla View Post
                  Last Vauxhall I had was a chavalier.

                  Does anyone by them apart from hire car firms?

                  Does anyone like Vauxhall?
                  Second largest market share at about 9.5% after Ford's ~13%

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by sal View Post
                    Second largest market share at about 9.5% after Ford's ~13%
                    People love cheap tat.
                    http://www.cih.org/news-article/disp...housing_market

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by shaunbhoy View Post
                      What are you gibbering about? This deal has nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit.
                      Moron!

                      Brexit did cause the pound to slump and caused the cost of component imports to rise.

                      Agreed GM have never made any money in Europe and for the last few years have lost a lot of money, the weak currency just pushed this forward, in fact GM have made a statement this week that they will now only make cars in Asia and North America.

                      What will be interesting is if the new Astra will be built in the UK, this will be a decision that will be made at the time Brexit will be coming to its final conclusion, higher import costs , easier to fire UK workers and the fact that we will be outside the EU could be factors in deciding if they make the new Astra here and as a result keep the plant open.

                      Looking at the data from market watch it seems unlikely due to the higher costs of stopping production in mid flight that they will close any plants before 2020 and the UK is the most efficient car maker in Europe, personal view is that it will depend on UK Gov putting in investment like they did with Nissan to keep the plant open here, in short more expense for the taxpayer and that bill is already looking unsustainable.
                      Warning unicorn meat may give you hallucinations

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