Another gloomy Brexit forecast. If you're a Remnant.

[GB9]

So what do you think about the Tory right wing coup that has taken place which makes "hard Brexit" the default position, contrary to the wishes of the majority of the UK population?
I think the Richard North blogs are quite sensible, as a Remainer.

What right wing couple?

The EU has made it clear that we can't divide the 'four freedoms'. As I voted to be out from the nose of the ECJ, that means by the EU's own rules that we are out of the single market. If we continue under the ECJ then we haven't really left, have we?

If you want to call it a hard Brexit then so be it but that's the choice on offer. Either in or out but no fudging.

And where do you get the idea the public don't want it?

[darmstadt]

Who does these jobs in Japan? 98.5% of Japan is populated by the Japanese. They seem to have no problem producing food without "migrant" labour.

They are looking at getting more migrant workers: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...oreign-workers

BTW, they also import about 60% of their food...

[sasguru]

If you want to call it a hard Brexit then so be it but that's the choice on offer. Either in or out but no fudging.

And where do you get the idea the public don't want it?

You were for Medium Brexit a while ago I recall ...

[northernladyuk]

You were for Medium Brexit a while ago I recall ...

Give him a week and he will be telling us he was always in favour of the zombie apocalypse.

[NigelJK]

admittedly many of them with no idea what "something different" should look like.

Except that it wouldn't look like the self serving gravy train that was in place.

[sirja]

What right wing couple?

The EU has made it clear that we can't divide the 'four freedoms'. As I voted to be out from the nose of the ECJ, that means by the EU's own rules that we are out of the single market. If we continue under the ECJ then we haven't really left, have we?

If you want to call it a hard Brexit then so be it but that's the choice on offer. Either in or out but no fudging.

And where do you get the idea the public don't want it?

Quite right too. As a remain voter, I've never for one moment supported the concept of 'soft' Brexit, we are either fully in with our opt outs or fully out.
However my problem with the Brexiters has always been that they have never given the 'True cost' of what full Brexit will mean. That is where they lied. Till this day they still peddle the faleshoold that if there is no deal we can just trade under WTO rules and all will be well, completely omitting the fact most barriers to trade are regulatory not tariffs. They now come up with the proposal of turning the UK into some sort of low tax haven with all the implications that would have for our welfare state. I ask was that on any ballot?

[chopper]

Except that it wouldn't look like the self serving gravy train that was in place.

There is an argument that the gravy train will still exist after Brexit, the difference being that UK politicians will probably not be boarding it anymore.

Does this mean that our politicos will focus on the job in hand rather than focussing on getting into the European Commission? May almost certainly doesn't aspire to that, but you can bet your arse that Camoron did.

[GB9]

You were for Medium Brexit a while ago I recall ...

And middle Brexit would have been preferable but if the 'four freedoms' are non negotiable as appears the case, then we are in or out. So next best is out but with free trade in both directions.

[BlasterBates]

Will there be a United Kingdom ?

och aye and hoots the noo, yer sassenachs

49 percent of Scots now support independence

The Scots are getting stroppy.

[GB9]

Quite right too. As a remain voter, I've never for one moment supported the concept of 'soft' Brexit, we are either fully in with our opt outs or fully out.
However my problem with the Brexiters has always been that they have never given the 'True cost' of what full Brexit will mean. That is where they lied. Till this day they still peddle the faleshoold that if there is no deal we can just trade under WTO rules and all will be well, completely omitting the fact most barriers to trade are regulatory not tariffs. They now come up with the proposal of turning the UK into some sort of low tax haven with all the implications that would have for our welfare state. I ask was that on any ballot?

From my perspective the choice was out and then get the best deal we can. I'm not asking that we try and shafts the EU, just get something that is best for both and that guarantees the rights for expats who want to be in the UK or EU when we leave.

I didn't notice the remain side mentioning further integration of a common army, or harmonisation of pensions or indeed the latest proposal for 1 or 2 % of income tax to go directly to Brussels to be used as the EU sees fit.