Trump's Muslim Ban

[woohoo]

For those wondering how Kafkaesque things might get: before the Executive Order was promulgated, some people who had valid visas boarded flights to the USA. While they were in the air, their visas were cancelled. When they landed in the USA, they were detained, charged with violating immigration law for trying to enter the country without a valid visa, and have been automatically given a five year ban from applying for admission to the USA because of that.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/29/...nd-resistance/

Their immigration control is pretty effective and efficient.

[ladymuck]

Clarification courtesy of BoJo

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/p...igration-to-us

The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has today held conversations with the US Government and as a result we can clarify that:

The Presidential executive order only applies to individuals travelling from one of the seven named countries.

If you are travelling to the US from anywhere other than one of those countries (for instance, the UK) the executive order does not apply to you and you will experience no extra checks regardless of your nationality or your place of birth.

If you are a UK national who happens to be travelling from one of those countries to the US, then the order does not apply to you – even if you were born in one of those countries.

If you are a dual citizen of one of those countries travelling to the US from OUTSIDE those countries then the order does not apply to you.

The only dual nationals who might have extra checks are those coming from one of the seven countries themselves – for example a UK-Libya dual national coming from Libya to the US.

[teapot418]

Clarification courtesy of BoJo

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/p...igration-to-us

The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has today held conversations with the US Government and as a result we can clarify that:

The Presidential executive order only applies to individuals travelling from one of the seven named countries.

If you are travelling to the US from anywhere other than one of those countries (for instance, the UK) the executive order does not apply to you and you will experience no extra checks regardless of your nationality or your place of birth.

If you are a UK national who happens to be travelling from one of those countries to the US, then the order does not apply to you – even if you were born in one of those countries.

If you are a dual citizen of one of those countries travelling to the US from OUTSIDE those countries then the order does not apply to you.

The only dual nationals who might have extra checks are those coming from one of the seven countries themselves – for example a UK-Libya dual national coming from Libya to the US.

Except that's not what is actually happening. (The Glasgow vet being a good example)

[AtW]

Their immigration control is pretty effective and efficient.

Let's see what Supreme Court says about it, Trump should have waited until his decisive candidate is accepted there first

[yetanotherbob]

I've long maintained that in a hundred years personal use of Facebook or something like it may be practically compulsory, and refusniks will be marginalised and financially disadvantaged.

Yep, that's round the corner
https://www.checkmyfile.com/articles...media-data.htm

This one gives you points for "transparency" depending on how many major social networks you are on.

[darmstadt]

And another Trump alternative fact to go with it:

“My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months.”
— President Trump, statement on executive order, Jan. 29, 2017

This never happened, there was a slowdown due to administrative purposes but no actual halt was ordered...

[darmstadt]

[darmstadt]

So if the aim of the terrorists is to sow chaos and doubt ... have they won?


Anyone wishing to sign the petition requesting the State visit be cancelled



Can find it here https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

And here's the counter attack, obviously written by a write-ringer

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

Donald Trump should be invited to make an official State Visit because he is the leader of a free world and U.K. is a country that supports free speech and does not believe that people that appose our point of view should be gagged.

[Bee]

I think Trump has business in those countries.

[SpontaneousOrder]

It shouldn't be shocking, as it's part of his campaign promises - just like all the others he's been implementing. And the Hitler thing is just asinine.

That aside, it can hardly be considered a Muslim ban when over 80% of the world's muslims are not affected.

The list is Obama's list. It is a list of countries his administration decided were of 'particular concern' with regards to security & ISIS infiltration. The list originally excluded dual nationality persons (of those countries) from the visa waiver program.

Obama also used that list, before it was expanded in 2016, to prevent people from arriving from Iraq for a period of 6 months.



If it's a muslim ban, then you should really be throwing some accusations at Obama.