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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    Everyone who has a propensity for tin-foil hats, possibly. You are an ignorant fool. Since you startedt posting here, you demonstrated it again and again. If I for one minute believed that your stupidity was an act, I'd ban you as a troll. However, no-one is that good at acting, so I truly believe you are simply an ignorant fool.

    But not a dangerous fool. As they say "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" - you're so deeply ignorant and foolish, you don't even have a little knowledge.
    You're on good form today. Did you get some last night?

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      Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
      I answered your Belfast question in post 89. However a more lengthy answer is given below.

      What people who have taken the government to court in each case are arguing on are legal technicalities.

      In the case of the arguments presented before the courts in NI these arguments failed. Their arguments were NI specific and tried to expand the interpretation of the European Referendum Bill to include other bills on NI.

      In the case of the lady and others in England their argument passed as they were only arguing on due process and the European Referendum Bill.

      Now the Supreme court will say whether they agree with the reasoning of the judges in the High Court on their interpretation of the law.

      All judges have vested interests in every single case as judges are people. Like anyone who has a role in judging the law they have to put aside their personal prejudices and some are better than others at doing this. In this case they made it clear the decision is not political but about the British Constitution.
      But the ruling in London and the ruling in Belfast are conflicting so need resolution under the Supreme Court.

      In this instance the judges should not have been put in a position to risk explaining a possible COI.

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        Interestingly the key point is to whether Article 50 is irrecovable leading to an automatic change of law or just a notification as the Belfast court concluded.

        This would probably best be resolved by the European Court of Justice.

        Looks like the government's promises to Nissan might prove to be illegal.

        European Commission to investigate the UK
        Last edited by BlasterBates; 6 November 2016, 21:51.
        I'm alright Jack

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          Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
          Interestingly the key point is to whether Article 50 is irrecovable leading to an automatic change of law or just a notification as the Belfast court concluded.
          Exactly, and HMG lost because they chose political expediency (i.e. not wanting to admit that A50 is revocable). Can you imagine the political backlash if this ended up in the ECJ? JFC, that would result in a Brexit so hard it would cut diamonds. Seriously, this nonsense needs to end and HMG needs to respect due process, which means a very simple Act with a very carefully crafted long title that is, effectively, impossible to amend in any substantive way. Playing the game within the rules is what's needed now, and Parliament was always going to have a say. The HoC would vote it through and the HoL would be left with an existential situation; IMO, they'd pass it too. The die-hard remainers and leavers are two sides of the same coin, equally contemptuous of due process.

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            Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
            Exactly, and HMG lost because they chose political expediency (i.e. not wanting to admit that A50 is revocable). Can you imagine the political backlash if this ended up in the ECJ? JFC, that would result in a Brexit so hard it would cut diamonds. Seriously, this nonsense needs to end and HMG needs to respect due process, which means a very simple Act with a very carefully crafted long title that is, effectively, impossible to amend in any substantive way. Playing the game within the rules is what's needed now, and Parliament was always going to have a say. The HoC would vote it through and the HoL would be left with an existential situation; IMO, they'd pass it too. The die-hard remainers and leavers are two sides of the same coin, equally contemptuous of due process.
            Nah the government just wants to waste taxpayers money while p*ssing taxpayers off.
            "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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              Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
              Looks like the government's promises to Nissan might prove to be illegal.

              European Commission to investigate the UK
              Nah, it's an integral part of any free trading agreement/area. You have to ensure that no jurisdiction/sector is being unfairly advantaged by state aid. Assuming Greg Hands is not in contempt of Parliament (because he outlined fairly precisely what assurances were given), there's nothing to see here. Nissan are making a 5-10-year investment. It's reversible. They have very little to lose in this timeframe, given the currency depreciation and level of productivity at the Sunderland plant. They really didn't need or expect any substantive promises, despite what they said publicly. They know how to play the game. It's important not to confuse their long-term concerns with a 5-10 year (reversible) decision.

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                Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
                Nah the government just wants to waste taxpayers money while p*ssing taxpayers off.
                Well, it's working

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                  Nigel Farage to lead 100,000-strong march on Supreme Court on day of historic Brexit court hearing

                  Hurrah for the blackshirts!
                  Make Mercia Great Again!

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                    I thought Cameron was a dreadful PM is May trying to out do him?
                    "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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                      Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
                      Sandwich boy
                      Not for me thanks, but stick at it, you may yet get some takers.
                      Heartening to see that you have finally realised that your limited skillset is more suited to some menial catering activity.
                      Saves you overloading that dormant cranial organ of yours attempting to comprehend the complexities of something as abstract as Brexit.

                      “The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”

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