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Reality bites for gradiuates!
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostFact is - maths/physics require far more intellect than history/english/media studies.
I'd not say one is easier though they suit different people. It's certainly a lot harder to get a 1st in history than physics - many people just 'get' physics or maths whereas you absolutely cannot get a 1st in history or English without a lot of hard slog.
Originally posted by The_Equalizer View PostYou'd imagine the loans would be a lot smaller. Fees were circa £1600 round then I think. Any which way, it was early days and not mega bucks as it is today.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostTechies? Such a broad brush. You're casually lumping accountants in with nuclear physicists, splendid. This is a new level of clueless for you; feel free to keep on digging, you're well past rock bottom now.
If I'm digging, it's only because I'm trying to get to your level.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostYou're lumping arts subjects together, why shouldn't I make generalisations? Is it because you're a hypocrite with no leg to stand on.
If I'm digging, it's only because I'm trying to get to your level.
Art needs to work with science, though, not feel aloof as many of them do, just like the PhD lot.The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't existComment
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Not a lot of sympathy but if you look at the American system where it is very difficult to get anything but a min wage job wth a college degree then you can see that what is actually happening is that people are being put into debt early on just so they can compete in the job market - and then spend most of their life paying it off so have very little to pass on - and so the cycle continues
Unless mummy and daddy can foot the bill for you.
So it really is a way of keeping the 'poor' poorComment
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostThat's not a fact at all. And equating history or literature with media studies is a poor comparison. History requires the ability to research and engage in critical thinking to make cogent persuasive arguments, maths/physics you just learn how how to solve the things you need to know how to solve, or how to get there from first principles.
A good maths student can easily get a degree in history etc. The converse is not true.Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostThat's not a fact at all. And equating history or literature with media studies is a poor comparison. History requires the ability to research and engage in critical thinking to make cogent persuasive arguments, maths/physics you just learn how how to solve the things you need to know how to solve, or how to get there from first principles.
I'd not say one is easier though they suit different people. It's certainly a lot harder to get a 1st in history than physics - many people just 'get' physics or maths whereas you absolutely cannot get a 1st in history or English without a lot of hard slog.
Yeah this is true. I paid on everything I earned above £10K I think but there was no interest to speak of and the loan was much smaller. The wife was in the first cohort of loans (I was 2nd) and hers was smaller still and you could defer it - though once you started paying they were fixed payments not salary linked IIRC. She paid off her last instalment this month, aged 37!Comment
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Does anyone else think that any loan balances outstanding after 30 years should be charged back to universities instead of being written off by government? This would force universities to consider whether the degrees they offered were economically worthwhile.
At the moment the student and government are taking the risk, the universities should take some risk as well.Comment
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Originally posted by IR35 Avoider View PostDoes anyone else think that any loan balances outstanding after 30 years should be charged back to universities instead of being written off by government? This would force universities to consider whether the degrees they offered were economically worthwhile.
At the moment the student and government are taking the risk, the universities should take some risk as well.merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by IR35 Avoider View PostAt the moment the student and government are taking the risk, the universities should take some risk as well.
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Basically, enrolling in a degree programme not dissimilar to buying a car. The risk universities now take is not getting enough students to make the programme worthwhile. I can't see how they should be liable thirty years down the line for a student's debt. It's not as if the student will give them more should they do extremely well out of undertaking a degree.Comment
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