EU Referendum: Do we enough information to take the correct decision?

[PurpleGorilla]

EU still funds bull fighting, despite MEPs voting against agricultural subsidies. Another case of Council being undemocratic..

http://www.peta.org.uk/blog/european...s-not-the-end/

[darmstadt]

EU still funds bull fighting, despite MEPs voting against agricultural subsidies. Another case of Council being undemocratic..

European Council Fails to End Bullfighting Subsidies – but This Is Not the End | PETA UK

Where in that article does it state 'MEPs voting against agricultural subsidies'?I think you'll find that this one will go through next year:

The Council didn’t reject the amendment on principle but rather on the grounds that the regulations surrounding the Common Agricultural Policy would make it difficult to implement the change.

[PurpleGorilla]

EU Referendum: Do we enough information to take the correct decision?

Where in that article does it state 'MEPs voting against agricultural subsidies'?I think you'll find that this one will go through next year:

Yes voting against agricultural subsidies that are used to fund bill fighting!

In October, 438 out of 687 MEPs in the European Parliament voted in favour of an amendment to the EU budget that would stop more than €100 million in EU agricultural subsidies from going to support bullfights.

[darmstadt]

So the Leave lot will continue to want referendums until they get their way:

Farage says he will push for second referendum if Remain wins narrowly

In an interview with the Daily Mirror Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, has said that if Remain win the EU referendum narrowly, he will push for a second referendum.

[DodgyAgent]

I disagree.

Fairness is very important, it's ingrained in British character.

Fact is that UK pays a LOT less than Germany, and substantially less than France, even though I'd say all these 3 countries should pay about the same.

UK got a fooking awesome deal in the club, very unfair one, but hey, it got it - might as well keep it.

Fairness is entirely subjective. As I said it is not about what share we pay it is about the fact that we pay at all and what we are paying for. The point of Brexit is that we do not want to play by the rules of the EU and that we do not have to accept that the EU is the sole functionary of any trade or legal commitments.

[jamesbrown]

So the Leave lot will continue to want referendums until they get their way

There's talk among the Bremainians that any slim majority for Leave could be ignored in the HoC. Ignoring the will of the people. Nice. I suppose it's consistent with EU democracy-light.

Gallantry needed if Tories are to reunite after EU referendum - FT.com

[DodgyAgent]

You say that, but all I hear from the Leave camp is the immigration aspect only!

Vote to stay then

[DodgyAgent]

I find it bizarre that people who leave totalitarian regimes want to move somewhere that is free and once they do they then want to impose a totalitarian state onto the people they have joined. You only have to look at the Muslim enclaves that have grown up in Britain. You can take the man away from communism but you cannot take the communism out of the man.

[Willapp]

I'm an IT contractor, 33 years old and I'm planning to vote out too. Among my peers I'd say it is roughly 50/50 but sadly I'm convinced the vote will come out to stay purely because I do think that all those who aren't motivated enough to make some kind of informed choice will simply say "better the devil I know".

What gets my goat is that NOBODY knows what will happen if we vote leave - let's face it, if we do leave then it will be up to the government and UK companies to make it work as best we can. Yes we'll probably lose out in some areas but it's not as if Cameron et al. can just turn round and say "haha you voted leave look at this tulipty deal we're going to get for you now". It's their job to fight for us and - misguided or not - I believe that we are still strong as a country and people will still trade with us.

The OP is right though, much like in any general election there is a woeful lack of any objective arguments one way or the other (much though each side will say *their* arguments are objective) so I'm equally disbelieving of both sides and just voting on my gut instinct as to what I want for this country long term and I don't feel part of the EU now, I'm English not European.

[DimPrawn]

Why we're backing Brexit - MoneyWeek