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    #41
    Originally posted by Boney M View Post
    Like this crock of tulip for one
    "The average time to fully evict a group of squatters is 18 months"

    Squatters in Spain - Spanish Property Insight

    Enjoy your open plan.

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      #42
      Originally posted by Boney M View Post
      No it wouldn't. You do post some bulltulip on here
      Do you think putting a covert IP enabled camera in a property you have rented to someone is not going to land you in trouble?

      Do you think that putting an IP camera in shared space with your neighbours is going to go down well?

      I assume you do not own a property that you rent out and have scant knowledge of the law.

      http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/news/l...spy-on-tenants

      Under Article 8 of the Human Rights Act 1988 an individual has the right to respect for his private and family life, and of his home.

      It is illegal under UK law to deploy covert cameras in areas where individuals would have an expectation of privacy, such as bathrooms, changing rooms and locker rooms, or plant a hidden camera in someone else’s home, or an area someone else owns.

      It is OP's house, not his home. He rents it out, and during that period it becomes the tenant's home.
      Last edited by clearedforlanding; 6 February 2016, 00:02.

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        #43
        Originally posted by clearedforlanding View Post
        Do you think putting a covert IP enabled camera in a property you have rented to someone is not going to land you in trouble?

        Do you think that putting an IP camera in shared space with your neighbours is going to go down well?

        I assume you do not own a property that you rent out and have scant knowledge of the law.

        http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/news/l...spy-on-tenants

        Under Article 8 of the Human Rights Act 1988 an individual has the right to respect for his private and family life, and of his home.

        It is illegal under UK law to deploy covert cameras in areas where individuals would have an expectation of privacy, such as bathrooms, changing rooms and locker rooms, or plant a hidden camera in someone else’s home, or an area someone else owns.

        It is OP's house, not his home. He rents it out, and during that period it becomes the tenant's home.
        Where did I say in the house, you make a lot of assumptions They can put it in the communal area and pointing at the door and make them aware on the agreement.

        As for the crock of hit, that is this:

        Originally posted by clearedforlanding View Post
        Small claims court.
        Eject guests, their contract & issue is with agency, not you.
        Find a new agent.

        *Consult a lawyer to confirm above.

        I have had a squatter in one of my beach apartments for 14 months. It is still dragging through Spanish courts and can take up to 2 years to evict in Spain. Be thankful the law is on your side in the UK.
        The law is well in the favour of the tenants, I should know I rent out 3 houses and have been for some 15 years now. It is totally weighted the other way. If they were to go ahead and eject the guests then the OP would be liable for £10,000s due to the protection from eviction act.

        It will take a minimum of 6 months to evict someone now after issuing a Sec 21 and then a Sec 8 notice and even harder now with the new Sec 21 laws introduced late last year.

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          #44
          Originally posted by clearedforlanding View Post
          One female noticing that and it is a one way ticket to being on a sex offenders list.
          Surely it would be quicker just to post something the yanks don't like on Wikileaks
          Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the abject worship of the state.

          No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Boney M View Post
            Where did I say in the house, you make a lot of assumptions They can put it in the communal area and pointing at the door and make them aware on the agreement.

            As for the crock of hit, that is this:



            The law is well in the favour of the tenants, I should know I rent out 3 houses and have been for some 15 years now. It is totally weighted the other way. If they were to go ahead and eject the guests then the OP would be liable for £10,000s due to the protection from eviction act.

            It will take a minimum of 6 months to evict someone now after issuing a Sec 21 and then a Sec 8 notice and even harder now with the new Sec 21 laws introduced late last year.
            My assumption is based on risk. Until you specifically state you are going to put the camera outside the premises, and have obtained the written permission of the other people who live in the building, not just own flats in the building, it is on my assumption list.

            6 months sucks. I thought you were calling bulltulip on the fact that I have had a squatter for 14 months. Your post was a bit unclear. I'll defer to you, but you have a it a lot easier that the 18 to 24 months we have here.

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              #46
              Originally posted by scooterscot View Post
              Something taken from you without permission.

              Yeah closer to a fraud. I'd be super flying TNT.
              Fraud is just a kind of theft.

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                #47
                Originally posted by clearedforlanding View Post
                My assumption is based on risk. Until you specifically state you are going to put the camera outside the premises, and have obtained the written permission of the other people who live in the building, not just own flats in the building, it is on my assumption list.

                6 months sucks. I thought you were calling bulltulip on the fact that I have had a squatter for 14 months. Your post was a bit unclear. I'll defer to you, but you have a it a lot easier that the 18 to 24 months we have here.
                long day yesterday.
                Last edited by Boney M; 6 February 2016, 16:08.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by SpontaneousOrder View Post
                  Fraud is just a kind of theft.
                  In the sense that both are criminal offences.

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                    #49
                    With a bit of a nudge they have remembered that they did indeed move a booking across from another flat but failed to log it. I haven't told them what dates I rumbled them on so will be interested to see what dates they admit to.

                    As for the rest of this thread, I won't be installing any cameras and there is no Assured Shorthold Tenancy but a Holiday Letting Agreement so getting rid of guests shouldn't be an issue.

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                      #50
                      Having so much fun with this..

                      In the end I decided to let the agent save face and run out the existing bookings and took the flat back in April. Bit of a cop out but I thought it would be easiest that way. How wrong could I be! Two days before the end of the final booking I receive a notice before action letter from their criminally incompetent solicitors claiming for 6 months of lost earnings and a few other expenses. The lost earnings were spectacularly high, far higher than they ever achieved so I invited to the to stay on and commit to earn them which of course they declined to do as they could not guarantee that level of income

                      In the end I told them to go **** themselves as they had stolen from me, and even if their mistakes were honest I was still within my rights to refuse any further bookings at any point. They withheld the last two months rent so I was left in a position where I couldn't really just let the matter lie. They had also changed the locks on the flat but I happened to go round when their cleaner was picking up the last of their belongings (linen, towels etc)

                      I first contacted action fraud but they were not interested.

                      I then raised a complaint with the National Landlord Agency's ombudsman only because the agency claim on their website to be a member. While not strictly relevant to holiday lettings I had a hunch that they would not be registered and indeed they were not.

                      I'm currently dragging them through small claims. I had a hunch that they might not be VAT registered and had been pocketing an extra 20% every month. They have now admitted this but are still contesting their position as an honest agent who happened to make a few honest mistakes which happened to benefit them and of course they would have eventually realised and settled the mistake. They are also counter claiming for the lost earnings on the bookings which never existed.

                      I don't understand why it is so hard to find out if a company is VAT registered. As an individual it seems you have no right to demand a VAT registration number. I think I may give action fraud another go with this additional evidence. They've been running a good few years so assuming they've been robbing all their other landlords that could add up to quite a bit.

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