Climate change propaganda is simply a ruse for a socialist agenda

[BlasterBates]

Jeez. You really have to watch the pea under the thimble with you guys. C'mon, which is it? Is it that there's no sea level rise at Tuvulu, or that there is sea level rise, but its Ok 'cos the islands just grow their way out of trouble .... ?

And if the latter, what about coastal cities?

The sea level has been rising since the little ice age.

[pjclarke]

hmmm are you sure...

Tuvalu and many other South Pacific Islands are not sinking, claims they are due to global warming driven sea level rise are opportunistic | Watts Up With That?

Looks like you're the one spreading porkies...

You also imply that the graph I posted is somehow fake. The graph as you know was taken from the paper you posted. It's the monthly sea level.

Really? The graph appears nowhere in the paper which, while it is nuanced, found an increasing trend. Your graph is from the website of John McClean, 'Computer Consultant and Occasional Travel Photographer' who sits somewhere between Chris Booker and 'Steve Goddard' in the credibility spectrum.

[pjclarke]

The sea level has been rising since the little ice age.

Oh dear, you just got owned by a cartoonist.

A detailed look at the Little Ice Age

[BlasterBates]

Really? The graph appears nowhere in the paper which, while it is nuanced, found an increasing trend. Your graph is from the website of John McClean, 'Computer Consultant and Occasional Travel Photographer' who sits somewhere between Chris Booker and 'Steve Goddard' in the credibility spectrum.

The official statistics from the Government of Australia Bureau of Meterology

http://www.bom.gov.au/ntc/IDO70056/IDO70056SLI.shtml



A picture speaks a thousand words.

You might notice the fact that it's identical the previous graph, i.e. it's flat.

A graph that tells the truth is still the truth.

No trend nuanced or otherwise.

[DodgyAgent]

Oh dear, you just got owned by a cartoonist.

A detailed look at the Little Ice Age

The weakness of your cause is your absolute belief in the science despite the fact that some of it is unproven twisted and biased and the absolute belief in the validity of the evidence. Which is why so many on here have polarised themselves on the other side. People can smell bigots and zealots.

If the counter argument is unpalatable then smear the way the argument is delivered/ and or the source of the argument.

[DodgyAgent]

Here is more evidence to support the view that the CC movement is nothing more than an extortion racket 151 Degrees Of Fudging…Energy Physicist Unveils NOAA’s “Massive Rewrite” Of Maine Climate History

The last four months have been some of the coldest you might ever recall in our lifetime. So far 2015 is the fourth coldest in Maine’s history over the last 120 years. Data from 2013 confirm that so far – from January 1 to April 29 – 2015 has required 4249 heating degree days.

That rivals 1904, 1918 and 1923 over the last 120 years.

But when I recently looked at NOAA’s revised 2015 data, these last four months now would not even put us in the top twenty of coldest months. The federal government went into the historical data and lowered those earlier years – and other years in the earlier decades – so that they can keep spending $27 billion a year on pushing global warming.

They assumed no one would archive temperature data. But I did. My research indicated they used the same algorithm across the United States at the same time. Fortunately I had archived their data from 2013 for Maine and recently compared it to their 2015 data (see above table).

- See more at: 151 Degrees Of Fudging…Energy Physicist Unveils NOAA’s “Massive Rewrite” Of Maine Climate History

[BlasterBates]

...and for those who might try to argue it's an effect of the arctic ice melting need to look elsewhere

Arctic sea ice volume holds up in 2014 - BBC News

[pjclarke]

You see no trend in the red line?

The problem with the data pre 1992 is that it is from a tide gauge, which can be affected by land movement, which is one of the nuances I referred to in the paper which it appears you have not read. As you pointed out, the coral atoll is not the most stable landform in the world. Modern satellite altimetry shows SLR around Tuvulu at 5mm/yr around 66% above the global average.

[pjclarke]

The weakness of your cause is your absolute belief in the science despite the fact that some of it is unproven twisted and biased and the absolute belief in the validity of the evidence.

The weakness of your case is your willingness to pass on any old rubbish as 'evidence' whether it is extracted from between the small ads of a regional US newspaper or the website of a known conspiracy nutter like Pierre Goslin. (That's not a smear, just the truth).

The science is what it is, the IPCC states it's main conclusions as 'very likely' which they decode as a 95% certainty level, that is, there is no 'absolute belief' but a 1 in 20 chance they might be incorrect.

But I'm cool with that. Many policy makers act on much lower degrees of certainty.

[v8gaz]

Modern satellite altimetry shows SLR around Tuvulu at 5mm/yr around 66% above the global average.

Ok, help me out here. I was under the impression that water was self levelling. How can one part of the world have an increase in water level over another? Unless of course, the water isn't rising, but the land is lowering. Genuine question.