Permie "Job security" is a myth

[SpontaneousOrder]

When I hear quotes like ' dead wood ' I think 'I hope you get outsourced and fired '. And I hope as many outsourced projects go tits up as possible

I'm my own boss, so I can't get fired unless I want to.

That aside, you prefer to see people keep their jobs not because of the value they add - but because they happened to have been there for a decade without bothering to keep themselves relevant in the marketplace?

[d000hg]

When I hear quotes like ' dead wood ' I think 'I hope you get outsourced and fired '. And I hope as many outsourced projects go tits up as possible

That's pretty stupid considering many UK companies are doing work for foreign clients.

[Project Monkey]

When I hear quotes like ' dead wood ' I think 'I hope you get outsourced and fired '. And I hope as many outsourced projects go tits up as possible

Spoken like a true permie (and trade union rep).

[original PM]

Saying job "security is a myth" is a little disingenuous though. Sure, you don't have absolute security but you'd be a very unlucky (or useless) permie to end up with your average employment duration being under 3 years, not including cases where you quit. I don't know how long the average contract stint is - maybe a year? - but a contractor expects to find a new gig about once a year whereas a permie wouldn't. You will get unlucky sometimes and laid off, but on average you will still get much longer stints.

Indeed I have had 3 perm jobs two lasted about 5 years...

current one is 6 years in and going quite well - went perm here after 2 years of contracting

tbh iwpncotbac

[Avalonia]

'I'm my own boss and don't get fired unless I want to ' yes sure then what are you doing on here then big shot?

[jjdarg]

I was parachuted into a permie role in Germany not speaking a lick of German, with family in tow. It was an outsourcing contract that wasn't on solid ground. I was constantly reminded (after arrival), that if the contract went south, and I couldn't secure anything else in Germany, within 3 months I'd be out on the street...In Germany.

One can be very insecure in permanent employment, and constantly reminded of it. I like contracting because it is a more honest relationship between the end client and the person doing the work. No BS about company loyalty and all that...It is an economic transaction.

[psychocandy]

Redundant 4 times in 10 years when I was permie. Admitedly last one was voluntary.

Only this voluntary one and one other did it properly. Other two companies couldnt even be arsed to follow procedures.
One MD of small company just thought he could decide one day and that was it, another one made up complaints about unlucky employees and said sign this agreement and get one months pay or we'll pay you bugger all.

When you get legal advice you realise how little rights or security you actually have.

[turbowoowoo]

Indeed I have had 3 perm jobs two lasted about 5 years...

current one is 6 years in and going quite well - went perm here after 2 years of contracting

tbh iwpncotbac

Because you are tulipe or just unlucky?

just asking

[original PM]

Because you are tulipe or just unlucky?

just asking

Because sometimes you wake up and realise yolo ;-)

[minestrone]

"they can't get rid of me, I have been here 20 years, 20 months salary as redundancy to get shot of me"

And permies wonder why clients hire contractors.