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    In the process of being leaked here FWIW. Full report next week...

    EDIT: full report here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratch It View Post
    "dependent contractor"... tulip
    I think they're just suggesting a renaming of "worker" status under employment law (to "dependent contractor"), although they're also suggesting that self-employment is better defined in both primary and secondary legislation (something IPSE and others have called for too). There are a few interesting things but, from what I've scanned so far, mostly anticipated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesbrown View Post
    I think they're just suggesting a renaming of "worker" status under employment law (to "dependent contractor"), although they're also suggesting that self-employment is better defined in both primary and secondary legislation (something IPSE and others have called for too). There are a few interesting things but, from what I've scanned so far, mostly anticipated.
    Fair enough - the 12 steps a bit concerning too - thoughts on 3?

    "12 steps towards fair and decent work with realistic scope for development and fulfilment

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    Step 3. In the medium term, in the interests of innovation, fair competition and sound public finances we need to make the taxation of labour more consistent across employment forms while at the same time improving the rights and entitlements of self-employed people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratch It View Post
    Fair enough - the 12 steps a bit concerning too - thoughts on 3?

    "12 steps towards fair and decent work with realistic scope for development and fulfilment

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    Step 3. In the medium term, in the interests of innovation, fair competition and sound public finances we need to make the taxation of labour more consistent across employment forms while at the same time improving the rights and entitlements of self-employed people."
    Yeah, again, something that has been well-telegraphed. When Hammond started on this journey in the last budget (NICs U-turn), Taylor was only irritated that the gov't didn't hold it's nerve. TBH, I think its going to be rather difficult for the gov't to make sweeping changes in the current circumstances (if it was hard with an overall 17 seat effective majority, it's infinitely harder now....), except where there is strong cross-party support (i.e. more likely on employment rights than taxation). If they do start to move on this, I think they will opt for a slow/steady approach (long consultations). Had May acquired a substantial majority, I would be saying something completely different...

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    Regarding 3 if you remove the incentive for companies to pretend people are self employed you may reduce the number of people self employed to more accurate levels...
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    The Taylor Review is released today already plenty of chat this morning, lots of talk about a new "dependent contractor" status.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40561807

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWebDev View Post
    The Taylor Review is released today already plenty of chat this morning, lots of talk about a new "dependent contractor" status.

    Taylor Review: UK should end cash-in-hand economy - BBC News
    From what has been discussed in the media, "dependent contractor" is just a new name for "worker". That's the line that Taylor was giving on Radio 4 this morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFaQQer View Post
    From what has been discussed in the media, "dependent contractor" is just a new name for "worker". That's the line that Taylor was giving on Radio 4 this morning.
    I would wait and see. I suspect there will be 4 types of worker:-

    Employed
    Zero hours
    Dependent
    Self employed...

    What I'm really looking forward to is any definition of supervision and control as both that and his dislike of cash in hand are going to be interesting...
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    Listing to BBC4 this morning they were talking about the report due to be published. Very much appears to be Taylor siding with business about supporting a dependent contractor model who has some but not all rights of a worker.

    Had various people such as an Uber driver but interestingly a spokesperson from Plimco's plumbers who hinted that if they have to cover holiday and sick pay it would come out of the hourly rate.

    I'm going to assume the sick pay comment is statuary sick pay and rights and everyone in a dependent contractor relationship will have to pay full wack NI with the 'Employer' paying the employer bit.
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