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    Quote Originally Posted by youngguy View Post
    So are you saying you think some will use this as somewhat of a USP to differentiate themselves from other agencies ?
    I thought it was the end client who were responsible for determining this...not the agency

    So PS body have a requirement. They determine that the role is inside ir35 and put it out to the agencies. The agency would have to advertise it as being inside IR35. If they advertised it as outside then surely that would be fraud and also questions would be asked as soon as the first payment is made less the taxes
    Rule Number 1 - Assuming that you have a valid contract in place always try to get your poo onto your timesheet, provided that the timesheet is valid for your current contract and covers the period of time that you are billing for.

    I preferred version 1!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoredBloke View Post
    I thought it was the end client who were responsible for determining this...not the agency
    It is ...now. At the time I wrote that everyone thought it would be the agency that made the decision

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoredBloke View Post
    I thought it was the end client who were responsible for determining this...not the agency

    So PS body have a requirement. They determine that the role is inside ir35 and put it out to the agencies. The agency would have to advertise it as being inside IR35. If they advertised it as outside then surely that would be fraud and also questions would be asked as soon as the first payment is made less the taxes
    Why would the agency have to advertise it as one or the other?
    They'll just play dumb and hope whoever applies doesn't know or care the difference.

    If a gig is definitely outside they'll be sure to advertise that though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance View Post
    Why would the agency have to advertise it as one or the other?
    They'll just play dumb and hope whoever applies doesn't ask.

    If a gig is definitely outside they'll be sure to advertise that though.
    FTFY
    The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist

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    I am testing the new tool tomorrow at HMRC, any requests?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Hallett View Post
    I am testing the new tool tomorrow at HMRC, any requests?
    Please hand it over to the testers on here. Believe me, we will find something wrong to delay it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Hallett View Post
    I am testing the new tool tomorrow at HMRC, any requests?
    Would be interesting to understand how the Q weighting works. Ie do all 55 have to be a y or n to be outside, or is it weighted (like the BETs were )?

    Also would be interesting to see from your view the chance of ever being outside (slim I suspect )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Hallett View Post
    I am testing the new tool tomorrow at HMRC, any requests?
    What I've seen of it (FTAOD, only what's been posted in the public domain), MOO isn't covered.
    Last edited by mudskipper; 8th December 2016 at 22:18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngguy View Post
    Would be interesting to understand how the Q weighting works. Ie do all 55 have to be a y or n to be outside, or is it weighted (like the BETs were )?

    Also would be interesting to see from your view the chance of ever being outside (slim I suspect )
    If you look at the CSVs on the links that were posted, there is a matrix of combinations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudskipper View Post
    If you look at the CSVs on the links that were posted, there is a matrix of combinations.
    A lot of the combinations seem to give an intermediate result of 'Low', 'Medium' or 'High'. How these are treated might be nice to know as well as how likely the tool is to give a definitive In/Out answer rather than some kind of inconclusive.

    Someone else mentioned MOO. That's a point as well.... Didn't see that.

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