What can I ask on here?

webwoo · 29th July 2008, 17:13

Right,

first post and all that. I was until just recently a contractor. Now I find myself in the situation whereby I'm creating a startup in South of France.
I don't know about you , but I nearly have always had a bad taste in my mouth when dealing with agencies (there a some ok ones to be fair). I'd rather not go through any agencies - any suggestions how I can find people such as yourself? I presume I can't put posting on here or other dev forum sites as its against the rule (though I can't find any).
So any ideas how I can go about find some talented motivated bods who want to move to the sun?

thunderlizard · 29th July 2008, 21:06

I think you're allowed to put some specifics up and let people private-message you. It happens here a couple of times a week and nobody's got barred to my knowledge.

If you want to cast your net wider, sign up to search either the CWJobs, Jobsite or Jobserve database, or put an advert up on Jobserve. That's all the agents do anyway.

HairyArsedBloke · 29th July 2008, 21:28

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Originally Posted by webwoo

So any ideas how I can go about find some talented motivated bods who want to move to the sun?

Who would want to do a thing like that.

BrilloPad · 30th July 2008, 06:22

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Originally Posted by webwoo

Right,

first post and all that. I was until just recently a contractor. Now I find myself in the situation whereby I'm creating a startup in South of France.
I don't know about you , but I nearly have always had a bad taste in my mouth when dealing with agencies (there a some ok ones to be fair). I'd rather not go through any agencies - any suggestions how I can find people such as yourself? I presume I can't put posting on here or other dev forum sites as its against the rule (though I can't find any).
So any ideas how I can go about find some talented motivated bods who want to move to the sun?

You can put up jobs as long as you are known to be a non agent. The problem is how do Admin know!

If I did not have shared residence of the kids I would apply - but I know someone in the South of France who might well be interested - can you drop me an email?

Might be best to get a few more posts so you can receive PMs...

NotAllThere · 30th July 2008, 07:34

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Originally Posted by webwoo

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So any ideas how I can go about find some talented motivated bods who want to move to the sun?

Great that you're looking for good people, but why do you want them to move? You should widen your net by modelling your development practices around remote working.

weemster · 1st August 2008, 20:53

webwoo - drop me a pm with your requirements and email.

blacjac · 2nd August 2008, 10:57

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Originally Posted by weemster

webwoo - drop me a pm with your requirements and email.

I believe newbies aren't allowed to PM......

KentPhilip · 3rd August 2008, 13:19

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Originally Posted by NotAllThere

Great that you're looking for good people, but why do you want them to move? You should widen your net by modelling your development practices around remote working.

Hi NotAllThere,

I have considered (in theory) running a business based on complete remote working, but one objection I have had to the idea is that people can get demotivated spending all day working at home, because they lack social interaction.
One fellow coder said to me he once had a job working from home, and they felt so shut in that they found themselves going out every evening to get away from it all.

What's your view on it, out of interest?

TykeMerc · 3rd August 2008, 15:54

Working from home is entirely down to personal taste, I love it and am more productive and work longer hours when I can work from home. Some people are hopeless at it and need the discipline of being in an office.
Many managers can't cope with the concept that people can and do work from home effectively and can only manage "bums on seats".

NotAllThere · 5th August 2008, 07:49

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Originally Posted by KentPhilip

Hi NotAllThere,

I have considered (in theory) running a business based on complete remote working, but one objection I have had to the idea is that people can get demotivated spending all day working at home, because they lack social interaction.
One fellow coder said to me he once had a job working from home, and they felt so shut in that they found themselves going out every evening to get away from it all.

What's your view on it, out of interest?

Most of my work, whether in the office or from home, is essentially remote. Often, I'm the only person in the client office - supporting and developing for client staff around the world. With the right collaborative tools, it isn't an issue.

If the major component of your social life is work related, then you'd have problems, I think, working like this. But if you have a rich social life outside of work (not just CUK!). then it isn't a bother.

I think if you want top-flight developers, you'll need to be flexible. Maybe a mix of presumably French speakers located near your office, combined with remote workers. If I was offered a position in the South of France, I'd be concerned about what would happen if it didn't work out (especially if your a small company). So initial remote working circumvents that problem.

Personally, I wouldn't take on employees - I'd use contractors. Much easier to get rid of if you don't like them!

I like the way Ars Digita worked - until the VCs got involved. http://waxy.org/random/arsdigita/