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    #11
    Originally posted by deebeegee View Post
    A company posts jobs and people swipe through available jobs and express interest in anything suitable. The employer then gets to review matches and chat directly to interested candidates. The cost of posting a job is peanuts and there are no ongoing fees.

    https ://found.careers/
    Your friend has 'invented' cheap online job applications?

    There are hundreds of online boards that do the same thing, most have an app with a shopping basket and a bulk apply function.

    I've been an agent for 12+ years, I'll give you an insight into why apps like this will never ever replace the need for agencies.

    I posted a Business Change Manager, 6 month contract, based in London at 11:00am this morning... it's now just before 5pm and I've had 681 applications.

    Getting applications has never ever been an issue in the world of recruitment, getting quality applications always has and always will be.

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      #12
      Originally posted by Agent View Post
      Your friend has 'invented' cheap online job applications?

      There are hundreds of online boards that do the same thing, most have an app with a shopping basket and a bulk apply function.

      I've been an agent for 12+ years, I'll give you an insight into why apps like this will never ever replace the need for agencies.

      I posted a Business Change Manager, 6 month contract, based in London at 11:00am this morning... it's now just before 5pm and I've had 681 applications.

      Getting applications has never ever been an issue in the world of recruitment, getting quality applications always has and always will be.
      Ha ha, 681 applicants in just a few hours.

      I'd be interested to know the stats for developer contracts, especially in London banking. When I was in that sector doing .NET and WPF it was getting harder and harder to land those £ 600+ contracts. I think there were literally a hundred or so applicants instantly.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Agent View Post
        Your friend has 'invented' cheap online job applications?

        There are hundreds of online boards that do the same thing, most have an app with a shopping basket and a bulk apply function.

        I've been an agent for 12+ years, I'll give you an insight into why apps like this will never ever replace the need for agencies.

        I posted a Business Change Manager, 6 month contract, based in London at 11:00am this morning... it's now just before 5pm and I've had 681 applications.

        Getting applications has never ever been an issue in the world of recruitment, getting quality applications always has and always will be.
        It is designed for filling high volume low skill positions (eg xmas cover at supermarkets) and it does this very well. They find many of their clients are actually agencies without enough people on their books. Conversely when they have looked to fill tech jobs internally they have used agencies.

        I suppose it's the same situation as insurance. Brokers/agents for car/travel/home insurance are now of a bygone era but with specialised, high value/low volume lines an agent can add value

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          #14
          Originally posted by deebeegee View Post
          It is designed for filling high volume low skill positions (eg xmas cover at supermarkets) and it does this very well. They find many of their clients are actually agencies without enough people on their books. Conversely when they have looked to fill tech jobs internally they have used agencies.

          I suppose it's the same situation as insurance. Brokers/agents for car/travel/home insurance are now of a bygone era but with specialised, high value/low volume lines an agent can add value
          If you make it too easy for the applicant it's just going to get spammed with rubbish. Making it easy isn't always good for the client. If it's full of low quality rubbish it's just not going to take off.

          You've mentioned Tinder and now you mention brokers/insurance etc. That's two completely different models. One is person to person, one is B2C selling but your product is for recruitment. How can you expect it to work if you can't work out what your model is and who your stakeholders are. Sounds like the idea is getting worse by the post to me.
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            #15
            Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
            If it's full of low quality rubbish it's just not going to take off.
            That's the key - trying to take an app that is geared towards getting people to work in the supermarkets at Christmas and turn it into something that is suitable for high end consultancy just isn't going to work.

            Stick to what it is good at, and make it better in that area rather than trying to make it work in an area that it is unsuited to approach.
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              #16
              Originally posted by deebeegee View Post
              A Apart from filtering/screening candidates what else would you lose from cutting out the middleman?
              The last job I got had 8 people being interviewed. Goodness knows how many more were involved prior to that. I worked with the hiring manager I can tell you he wouldn't have wanted to have loads of conversations with candidates explaining what the job really was and 'sorry the job description isn't correct' , and 'is it OK if I pick my kids up at 3 pm everyday' and 'where is the office?'/how often would I need to go to Leeds?' etc

              And after all that, how are you going to get the payment service agencies provide? Big companies hate dealing with lots of small companies. One big monthly invoice from an agency is what they prefer.
              "Don't part with your illusions; when they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live" Mark Twain

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                #17
                Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
                If you make it too easy for the applicant it's just going to get spammed with rubbish. Making it easy isn't always good for the client. If it's full of low quality rubbish it's just not going to take off.

                You've mentioned Tinder and now you mention brokers/insurance etc. That's two completely different models. One is person to person, one is B2C selling but your product is for recruitment. How can you expect it to work if you can't work out what your model is and who your stakeholders are. Sounds like the idea is getting worse by the post to me.
                I mentioned insurance just to express how the consumer market has been disrupted but that there still remains a use for an intermediary at the upper end of the market.

                I just wanted to gather people's opinion on whether this was the same in recruitment or if it would be possible to bypass the agent. Whenever I've recruited through agents I've received mostly garbage CVs and had to filter through these to find talent, even after limiting agents to putting forward a maximum of 3 candidates. I suppose I never saw the additional 678 timewasters, supposing that there are no gems in the discard pile.

                When I look for a new home I'm accustomed to going online and using filters to hide the 678 houses I don't want to see. What I was missing is why the same approach can't be applied to humans and the sentiment seems to be that there would need to be verification of skills/experience/visa status

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by deebeegee View Post
                  I mentioned insurance just to express how the consumer market has been disrupted but that there still remains a use for an intermediary at the upper end of the market.

                  I just wanted to gather people's opinion on whether this was the same in recruitment or if it would be possible to bypass the agent. Whenever I've recruited through agents I've received mostly garbage CVs and had to filter through these to find talent, even after limiting agents to putting forward a maximum of 3 candidates. I suppose I never saw the additional 678 timewasters, supposing that there are no gems in the discard pile.

                  When I look for a new home I'm accustomed to going online and using filters to hide the 678 houses I don't want to see. What I was missing is why the same approach can't be applied to humans and the sentiment seems to be that there would need to be verification of skills/experience/visa status
                  Because humans will lie, especially if they want the job. They will say they have experience of X, Y & Z, or enhance their experience etc. The same as when you search on Rightmove for example, you filter detached houses, but there are usually a few other types which have made it in to the results when estate agents have 'mistakenly' put them in the wrong category.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Agent View Post
                    I posted a Business Change Manager, 6 month contract, based in London at 11:00am this morning... it's now just before 5pm and I've had 681 applications.
                    You wouldn't put one up for realtime and embedded SW in C++ would you ? Just curious to see how may responses you'd get in my field...

                    Boo

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                      #20
                      This seems to have gone exactly the same way as every other miracle app to fix contracting. Poorly thought out solution to that doesn't address a problem that doesn't seem to exist. Oh well, just have to wait for the next one to come along. I'm sure that will be different... won't it?
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