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    Default Permie Trying To Off-load Unwanted Work - Time To Walk

    After being offered a further extension following a decent 3 month stint to work on a different project, this took about a month to really kick off. In the interim whilst there was a lull I agreed to fill in and support on dealing with/fielding new IT requests, completely different to my contract as Portfolio Analyst but this was to cover a permie whist he was on holiday.

    What started as supporting here and there turned into me taking on all the 'administrative' responsibilities in his area. Cut to a couple of months later - I make it clear to my client that this is not what I extended for. Client tells me to hang on in there whilst the project I am meant to be working on ramps up. So now it has and I'm finally doing what I'm meant to as my client has told his other colleague, also a programme manager, that I am now fully working for him on his project and cannot 'support' said permie for at least the next month. His thinking was in keeping the guy at bay for the time being.

    So 2 weeks later Mr Permie approaches me to tell me that from today I will be supporting him with all the tasks I previously was indefinitely as he has too much to do . The guy is not my boss, superior, any relation to my work but is basically using the weight of his senior manager to basically offload. I'm livid as this was not what I agreed to do along with my contracted work. My boss, the permie and his boss aren't budging by the looks of it. I have no immediate contract to go to but I am now seriously cheesed off and feeling messed around. If this was for just another month I could stomach it but only 2 months into an 8 month contract! Will walking damage my reputation? I don't plan to work for this company or agent again but I'm not sure how to explain my leave to potential clients. Also, how best should I break the news to the client and is it worth discussing with the agency who placed me first?
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    Check the terms of your contract. Does it have a Statement of Work that sets out what you agreed to do on the contract?

    If it does you can walk immediately (and I mean today) from this contract. The lack of a Mutuality of Obligation means that if they move you away from what's stipulated in the contract you can consider that contract at an end, send an email stating this, pack your bags and walk.

    If you want to.

    Other wise you can hand in your stipulated notice period today (still explaining why) and leave it at that.

    They may huff and puff (and the agent for that matter), but you are a contractor, not a permie and it's time they recognised the difference.

    (I did the 1st option when the project I was working on got cancelled and the client thought that they could shift me to the 'core' process area where they had work for me to do.)

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    I would advise hanging in there until your contract expires and then don't renew. In may view not doing what you expected to do doesn't justify early termination and all the potential acrimonious hassle that ensues with that. Surely an extra couple of months doing what you've been doing for the last few months anyway isn't that bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBates View Post
    I would advise hanging in there until your contract expires and then don't renew. In may view not doing what you expected to do doesn't justify early termination and all the potential acrimonious hassle that ensues with that. Surely an extra couple of months doing what you've been doing for the last few months anyway isn't that bad.
    It's not an extra couple of months. It's another six....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBates View Post
    I would advise hanging in there until your contract expires and then don't renew. In may view not doing what you expected to do doesn't justify early termination and all the potential acrimonious hassle that ensues with that.
    Depends if you work for money or work for the enjoyment of working.

    I'm very much the latter - I like the money but won't tolerate being treated as anything other than the expert in what I do... Ask me to do something unrelated and I would be off today.... If asked about it my reason would be my part of the project was finished so being a very expensive resource I left...

    This clientco has already discovered that being unnecessarily rude to me means I walk out - to the pleasure of everyone other than the manager who is rude to everyone... The irony was that I had already discussed with them down the pub my habit of taking very long (and expensive) shopping lunches when annoyed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willy Win View Post
    It's not an extra couple of months. It's another six....
    Put your CV out now, and walk.

    There is another poster on here complaining about a nasty permie, and this is how some of them start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SueEllen View Post
    Put your CV out now, and walk.

    There is another poster on here complaining about a nasty permie, and this is how some of them start.
    Put CV out, get new contract and then walk

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    Quote Originally Posted by eek View Post
    Depends if you work for money or work for the enjoyment of working.

    I'm very much the latter - I like the money but won't tolerate being treated as anything other than the expert in what I do... Ask me to do something unrelated and I would be off today.... If asked about it my reason would be my part of the project was finished so being a very expensive resource I left...

    This clientco has already discovered that being unnecessarily rude to me means I walk out - to the pleasure of everyone other than the manager who is rude to everyone... The irony was that I had already discussed with them down the pub my habit of taking very long (and expensive) shopping lunches when annoyed.

    Most people don't dare to try and be rude to me / shout me down, as they often find out they usually end up second best at it.

    I still get asked back though......one of the senior guys said he had missed the straight talking and muttered swearing on calls.
    For some reason they have just signed me up for another 6 months

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willy Win View Post
    After being offered a further extension following a decent 3 month stint to work on a different project, this took about a month to really kick off. In the interim whilst there was a lull I agreed to fill in and support on dealing with/fielding new IT requests, completely different to my contract as Portfolio Analyst but this was to cover a permie whist he was on holiday.

    What started as supporting here and there turned into me taking on all the 'administrative' responsibilities in his area. Cut to a couple of months later - I make it clear to my client that this is not what I extended for. Client tells me to hang on in there whilst the project I am meant to be working on ramps up. So now it has and I'm finally doing what I'm meant to as my client has told his other colleague, also a programme manager, that I am now fully working for him on his project and cannot 'support' said permie for at least the next month. His thinking was in keeping the guy at bay for the time being.

    So 2 weeks later Mr Permie approaches me to tell me that from today I will be supporting him with all the tasks I previously was indefinitely as he has too much to do . The guy is not my boss, superior, any relation to my work but is basically using the weight of his senior manager to basically offload. I'm livid as this was not what I agreed to do along with my contracted work. My boss, the permie and his boss aren't budging by the looks of it. I have no immediate contract to go to but I am now seriously cheesed off and feeling messed around. If this was for just another month I could stomach it but only 2 months into an 8 month contract! Will walking damage my reputation? I don't plan to work for this company or agent again but I'm not sure how to explain my leave to potential clients. Also, how best should I break the news to the client and is it worth discussing with the agency who placed me first?

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    2. The way to phrase it is to explain that you signed an extension to do some work but ended up inside IR35 because the work requested was significantly different to what you signed up for - you're passionate about what you do but don't see support cover as part of that.

    3. Don't discuss it with the agent initially; they'll generally want to keep you on site to keep their commission rolling in. Explain to your manager that this isn't what you signed up for and you'll have to consider serving notice if they expect you to do this work.

    4. Are you accounting for this contract as inside IR35? Working practices suggest that you should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VillageContractor View Post
    Put CV out, get new contract and then walk
    Walking may or may not take time depending on the terms of the contract.

    I can walk today - my contract with the agency explicitly states as much but my agency's agreement with the end client is different (but I don't know nor care about the extent of the agreement). So even if I was annoyed I would be stating that I'm off next Friday (14th) to ensure there was a handover. No point annoying everyone and giving them a reason to be annoyed with you....

    Going back to the OP have you stated that the work you're being asked to do is not in your contract and if you are asked to do it you will be serving notice now... That may concentrate minds appropriately. Of course if you dislike it just ignore the warning part....
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