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    Quote Originally Posted by hgllgh View Post
    I just don't agree with the feedback...
    So why did your bother asking for our opinions then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by northernladuk View Post
    You really think an agent cold calling is going to sit and listen to an answering machine message and the act on that?? I really don't think so.
    Depends on your skillset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SueEllen View Post
    Depends on your skillset.
    Are you an answering machine message writer?
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    Default How To Avoid the Soul Destroying Agency Based Contract Search

    To answer the topic, the way to avoid the soul destroying agency based contract search is by going direct to clients and recommend other contractors to clients, while encouraging them to recommend you.
    If the client needs to go through an agent, you do the deal with the client, then pick the agent and offer them the cut, e.g. Client agrees £750 a day for you + agent's fee. You contact agent, tell them it's £800 a day, of which they are allowed to keep £50, take it or leave it.

    I would not trust an agent to do a good job of selling me because most don't know me well enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SueEllen View Post
    Depends on your skillset.
    Ah that could be true but the paradox here is that if your skillet is good enough to make an agent listen to some drivel on an answering machine you'll be able to pick and chose gigs and won't need to deal with a plague of calls about crap gigs that don't apply.
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    Default This could work - though maybe not in the way you expect

    Quote Originally Posted by hgllgh View Post

    The transcript would go a little something like this :-

    "Two references?" ...
    Available upon/after interview confirmation (but nothing to stop you contacting HR depts in the meantime).
    No names of previous managers will be given untill interview stage is confirmed.
    Explain firmly that there is no compromise on this.

    "Describe your tasks and responsibilities on the last two projects you worked on" ...
    Describe here.

    "What are you looking for in your next project in terms of skills, experience, and responsibilities?"
    Describe here.

    "What are you looking for in your next project in terms of Company/Project size, ethos, working environment etc ?"
    Describe here.

    "What are the locations you are willing to work in?"
    Describe here.

    "What is your rate?"
    Describe previous project rate and or lower/upper limit. If the project role on offer is in the target range then we are more likely to take things further.



    At the bottom of the transcript provide a link to a free online booking service to schedule a call if the role is a good fit considering the above. Explain to the agent here that this is to avoid time wasting and missed calls. the agent will know that when they call it WILL be answered which gives them an incentive to make the effort to book the call and is also a more professional approach. Explain also that ideally the conversation should start with a brief description of the specific role they are working to fill.
    Having worked in the recruitment industry for 9 years I think you could pitch this to recruiters and get them to pay you for it.

    Think about it. These guys and girls are working to targets on just about everything with ratios on call to cv; cv to interview; interview to placement and more. It's in their best interest, too, not to waste time approaching candidates who are not a good fit for the role they are resourcing for.

    Many if not most agencies use software that scans CVs for certain keywords. This could work with your script. You might have to have a fiddle with strings & sequences around skills, experience, qualifications and timeframes, i.e 'x most recent' and 'future' but I see no reason why it couldn't be done. Locations & rate ranges are straightforward and it might be possible for the app / script to connect with the organisation's diary / scheduling programme.

    I'm no IT guru - my thing is Contracts & Commercial - but I think you're on to something there.

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    Interesting thread by the OP and I am on his side in terms of not just being 'reactive' and us trying new things to improve the ways in which we bag business.

    But I'm not sure I would do what the OP is saying here. Why? Because one of my main relevant strengths is being well-spoken and articulate and that is something that can only come across in a spoken conversation. It is the verbal discussions (with initial junior-agent, account manager at agency, and client) that I believe time and again have put me ahead of other candidates with a similar skillset/experience that may be in the running for the role.

    Of course it is annoying (to put it mildly) to have to answer the idiotic questions of a 21 year old salesman whose previous job was selling mobile contracts at Carphone Warehouse, but that is something to just grin and bear.

    As others on the thread have pointed out, it seems to me that there is the risk of agents just not bothering with your voicemail/acting upon it.

    However if the OP is a specialist working in a very niche submarket then perhaps his approach will work for him.

    If he is going to try it for a few months it would certainly be interesting to hear how it went.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFH View Post
    To answer the topic, the way to avoid the soul destroying agency based contract search is by going direct to clients and recommend other contractors to clients, while encouraging them to recommend you.
    If the client needs to go through an agent, you do the deal with the client, then pick the agent and offer them the cut, e.g. Client agrees £750 a day for you + agent's fee. You contact agent, tell them it's £800 a day, of which they are allowed to keep £50, take it or leave it.

    I would not trust an agent to do a good job of selling me because most don't know me well enough.
    Would you normally take a cut of the £750? Or are you doing it in the hope that the favor is returned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SueEllen View Post
    If they really have a role you will get an email or they will leave a voice message.
    Couldn't agree more.

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