IR35 Forum Administration Review now out

[TheFaQQer]

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...min_Review.pdf

32 recommendations for HMRC to consider on how to make IR35 work better.

Enjoy!

[Pondlife]

All back over to the other place to see what they make of it. Smilies at the ready... Geronimoooooo!

[sal]

The help line receives on average between 900 and 1200 calls per annum. During the year
2012/2013 the number of queries received was 1192. For the year 2013/2014 the number
of calls received by the helpline was 942.

For the year ending 31/03/2013 HMRC received 80 contract review requests of which they
were able to give an opinion on 12. For 2013/14, HMRC received 64 contract review
requests of which they have been able to give an opinion on 16.

That's like 4-5 calls/day and a contract review every 3 days. Wanna bet how many people are handling that massive volume of work...

[DaveB]

That's like 4-5 calls/day and a contract review every 3 days. Wanna bet how many people are handling that massive volume of work...

3. It said so in the report.

Bet they are contractors as well

[tractor]

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That's like 4-5 calls/day and a contract review every 3 days. Wanna bet how many people are handling that massive volume of work...

When IR35 was first threatened and they promised to review contracts, my suggestion was that all contractors should request reviews for all contracts every week.

They said I was a troublemaker.

[tractor]

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https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...min_Review.pdf

32 recommendations for HMRC to consider on how to make IR35 work better.

Enjoy!

Unfortunately and behind the scenes, I suspect that HMRC long ago gave up on IR35 as a revenue generator. It remains and will remain forever as a deterrent. They will never repeal it and hence open the floodgates.

That is not to say that those of us who believe that we are real businesses should sit back and rest. They (HMG and HMRC) have our upstream pipeline firmly in their sights and have done for a long while. They will squeeze the life out of it so that few will do business with what they consider a PSC. It will happen.

It may be time to take 'Employment' Agents out of the equation. Given that by definition they are 'employment' agents, it is no wonder that we are seen by some to be disguised 'employees'. In any event aside from the initial intro, what do most offer other than invoice factoring that is probably more expensive than going to an invoice factor?

[BolshieBastard]

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...min_Review.pdf

32 recommendations for HMRC to consider on how to make IR35 work better.

Enjoy!

Scrap it (IR35)!

[TheFaQQer]

Unfortunately and behind the scenes, I suspect that HMRC long ago gave up on IR35 as a revenue generator. It remains and will remain forever as a deterrent. They will never repeal it and hence open the floodgates.

The way it makes money (I suspect) is in the number of people who are so scared of it that they voluntarily choose to use an umbrella company rather than a limited one.

[Pondlife]

The way it makes money (I suspect) is in the number of people who are so scared of it that they voluntarily choose to use an umbrella company rather than a limited one.

According to this* there are circa 200K people paid via brollys.

* I have no idea how valid that statistic is nor what the agenda of the site I got it from is. So it's basically just a number.

Anyone care to fag packet calc based on some equally vague averages to come up with a meaningless ballpark figure as to how much it makes them.

[tractor]

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According to this* there are circa 200K people paid via brollys.

* I have no idea how valid that statistic is nor what the agenda of the site I got it from is. So it's basically just a number.

Anyone care to fag packet calc based on some equally vague averages to come up with a meaningless ballpark figure as to how much it makes them.

Well on 10k avg NI alone, it would be £2bn