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    Quote Originally Posted by luki View Post
    it's not an extension. the contract is 12 weeks, the email agreement was £300 for the first 6 weeks, market rates for the remaining 6 weeks. we are just at the beginning of the 7th week
    What is the market rate then?

    Market rates go down as well as up!

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    Have you been paid any money yet for the first 6 weeks of work that you have completed?

    If not, then I would suggest raising an invoice at £300 per day and presenting it to your customer. Make sure that you are addressing it to the correct legal entity and from your correct legal entity (include your Company Registration number). If you aren't VAT registered, then clearly the rate would be a total of £300 per day. If you are VAT registered, make sure to include your VAT Number on the invoice.

    If you have been paid, then have you been paid according to a correctly raised invoice, or an arbitrary amount?

    I know what I would be doing here, and it wouldn't include any further work from them until I had an agreed rate, in writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luki View Post
    I'm in a 12 weeks contract where the daily rate was not specified in. The contract roughly says that the daily rate will be agreed in separate conversation, I do not have the contract with me to get the right wording but that is the sense.
    Dangerous to sign a contract which doesn't explicitly say what the rate is going to be, or even exactly when it will be set and by what mechanism. If the client had said £100 a day, would you have been tied to the contract to do the work? Probably.

    Quote Originally Posted by luki View Post
    The daily rate was in fact agreed in an email conversation, in which we agreed for £N for the first 6 weeks, and "market rates" (higher than N) for the remaining 6 weeks.
    Even more daft to not agree what the rate was going to be when you did get something in writing.

    Quote Originally Posted by luki View Post
    from the client's email: "let's do a 6 week contract after which we can extend out to another 6 weeks as we close on our seed funding. We should be able to offer you about 300 a day for the first 6 week period after which we have the next seed round of capital to allow us to deal with market rates." - we did sign a contract for 12 weeks.
    So, how much are you getting paid? Where in the "about 300" did the client finally decide to set the price? This gets more and more silly the more I read.

    Quote Originally Posted by luki View Post
    Now, the client is stating that is unable to face market rates, didn't give me an answer yet on what rate (higher than £N) they might be able to pay, but I was wondering if such email has any value, in case we can't get to a friendly agreement?
    Gosh, that is a surprise

    The email is pretty worthless - it says that they should be able to pay you more, but in terms of making a commitment and sticking something legally worthwhile in there, it's useless.
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    Consider if you'd employed a builder on this basis.
    He'd send you a bill for £300/day x 6 weeks and £??? a day for the rest.
    How would you stand if you quibbled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scruff View Post
    Have you been paid any money yet for the first 6 weeks of work that you have completed?

    If not, then I would suggest raising an invoice at £300 per day and presenting it to your customer. Make sure that you are addressing it to the correct legal entity and from your correct legal entity (include your Company Registration number). If you aren't VAT registered, then clearly the rate would be a total of £300 per day. If you are VAT registered, make sure to include your VAT Number on the invoice.

    If you have been paid, then have you been paid according to a correctly raised invoice, or an arbitrary amount?

    I know what I would be doing here, and it wouldn't include any further work from them until I had an agreed rate, in writing.

    I've invoiced for the first six weeks at £300 + additional VAT and that was paid. No problem with that. Things are not edgy (yet, and I hope the won't get). I agree on the previous advice that in business there are no friends, but things are not that bad - I am pretty sure we will solve it amicably but I preferred to get the honest advice about what such emails could count, which is - not much from what I can read. Once again, everything that was said is sound advice but I reiterate that we are still in very good terms and most likely things will be agreed without having to go to court or anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luki View Post
    I've invoiced for the first six weeks at £300 + additional VAT and that was paid. No problem with that. Things are not edgy (yet, and I hope the won't get). I agree on the previous advice that in business there are no friends, but things are not that bad - I am pretty sure we will solve it amicably but I preferred to get the honest advice about what such emails could count, which is - not much from what I can read. Once again, everything that was said is sound advice but I reiterate that we are still in very good terms and most likely things will be agreed without having to go to court or anything else.
    I don't really see what the problem is apart from the fact that you don't have it in writing. Your email is worth less than nothing for the next 6 weeks. Finish up the contract, if you can get an increase all well and good, if you cannot, it's not the end of the world.

    Just remember next time that you must get all key elements of an agreement written up in a signed contract before you begin work on the next one.

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    Having read a few posts here of contractors benched and not finding it easy, I would go gently with your negotiations. 300 and a bit more is better than 0.

    If the rate is a bit low put some feelers out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBates View Post
    Having read a few posts here of contractors benched and not finding it easy, I would go gently with your negotiations. 300 and a bit more is better than 0.

    If the rate is a bit low put some feelers out.
    Since the company is relying on funding there is a risk he could get 0 anyway.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by luki View Post
    I've invoiced for the first six weeks at £300 + additional VAT and that was paid. No problem with that. Things are not edgy (yet, and I hope the won't get). I agree on the previous advice that in business there are no friends, but things are not that bad - I am pretty sure we will solve it amicably but I preferred to get the honest advice about what such emails could count, which is - not much from what I can read. Once again, everything that was said is sound advice but I reiterate that we are still in very good terms and most likely things will be agreed without having to go to court or anything else.
    I think what you're asking is where you stand in law. If so (& IANAL) I would say that you would have little recourse - the term 'market rate' cannot be easily defined and I am fairly sure has no basis in law. If you are on good terms with the client then you could negotiate from the basis of your value to their company but if you were prepared to work for x rate for 6 weeks and your role will not change in the second 6 weeks I am not sure how far you would get unless the work you've done has increased revenues/productivity/efficiency for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luki View Post
    I've invoiced for the first six weeks at £300 + additional VAT and that was paid. No problem with that. Things are not edgy (yet, and I hope the won't get). I agree on the previous advice that in business there are no friends, but things are not that bad - I am pretty sure we will solve it amicably but I preferred to get the honest advice about what such emails could count, which is - not much from what I can read. Once again, everything that was said is sound advice but I reiterate that we are still in very good terms and most likely things will be agreed without having to go to court or anything else.
    You are on 'friendly' terms and there is 'trust' between you. You have been paid the first tranche including VAT. You are starting your 7th week. TALK to your friend NOW.

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