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    #21
    Originally posted by Whorty View Post
    You mean idiots such as those that voted out

    We all know it would be better for both the UK and EU if both sides played ball and negotiated the best deal possible, but this would leave the UK is a strong position outside the EU and there is no way the EU top dogs can afford this to happen for the very reasons you said above. Those who think we will get a good deal are delusional as the EU can't risk others thinking about following our lead.
    John Redwood says the UK holds all the cards.

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      #22
      Originally posted by Whorty View Post
      You mean idiots such as those that voted out

      We all know it would be better for both the UK and EU if both sides played ball and negotiated the best deal possible, but this would leave the UK is a strong position outside the EU and there is no way the EU top dogs can afford this to happen for the very reasons you said above. Those who think we will get a good deal are delusional as the EU can't risk others thinking about following our lead.
      The EU's union is based on 4 freedoms.

      Successive UK governments decided not to implement all of them in the way they could to provide proper limitations such as on freedom of movement to save money.

      When the British public caught on the government of the day and past government politicians of all political parties decided to blame the EU. This was backed up by the newspaper moguls.

      Those of us with inquiring minds discovered that the British public had been lied to, but it was too late as the British public had been completely brainwashed.

      In short the EU doesn't need to provide any deal to the UK. They are 27 countries in a union we are one.
      "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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        #23
        Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
        The EU's union is based on 4 freedoms.

        Successive UK governments decided not to implement all of them in the way they could to provide proper limitations such as on freedom of movement to save money.

        When the British public caught on the government of the day and past government politicians of all political parties decided to blame the EU. This was backed up by the newspaper moguls.

        Those of us with inquiring minds discovered that the British public had been lied to, but it was too late as the British public had been completely brainwashed.

        In short the EU doesn't need to provide any deal to the UK. They are 27 countries in a union we are one.
        Please tell me what successive UK governments could have realistically done to limit freedom of movement?

        The EU doesn't need to provide a deal to the UK and it works the other way. This 27 and 1 are idiotic sayings, the EU is ran by Germany and France.

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          #24
          Originally posted by woohoo View Post
          Please tell me what successive UK governments could have realistically done to limit freedom of movement?

          The EU doesn't need to provide a deal to the UK and it works the other way. This 27 and 1 are idiotic sayings, the EU is ran by Germany and France.
          They should have introduced border controls to check people coming in and out of the country.

          Nu Labour thought they could introduce ID cards by the back door but forgot the fundamentals of just checking who is entering and leaving the country.

          Then if people from the EU/EEA stupidly decided to ask for government assistance of any kind but they are not self-supporting or are caught misbehaving they can just be asked to leave, before being chucked out.

          This may shock you but other EU/EEA countries do this including the more socialist ones like Sweden.

          Btw you are aware that due to the lack of proper checks illegal immigrants who are from outside the EU leave and re-enter the UK via the ports?
          "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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            #25
            Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
            They should have introduced border controls to check people coming in and out of the country.

            Nu Labour thought they could introduce ID cards by the back door but forgot the fundamentals of just checking who is entering and leaving the country.

            Then if people from the EU/EEA stupidly decided to ask for government assistance of any kind but they are not self-supporting or are caught misbehaving they can just be asked to leave, before being chucked out.

            This may shock you but other EU/EEA countries do this including the more socialist ones like Sweden.

            Btw you are aware that due to the lack of proper checks illegal immigrants who are from outside the EU leave and re-enter the UK via the ports?
            People from the EU can enter the uk then they only need to get any kind of job within 3 months. If the job pay is low then they can claim benefits.

            They can also then bring their family over.

            Now i agree border checks for criminals etc is important but that isn't going to stop the mass movement of people from country to another.

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              #26
              Originally posted by woohoo View Post
              People from the EU can enter the uk then they only need to get any kind of job within 3 months. If the job pay is low then they can claim benefits.

              They can also then bring their family over.

              Now i agree border checks for criminals etc is important but that isn't going to stop the mass movement of people from country to another.
              It’s not the EU’s fault that the UK give out benefits so easily. It’s not the EU’s fault that the UK doesn’t have effective border checks. Why do you choose to blame the EU for everything, in particular the failures of successive UK governments to run our country?
              …Maybe we ain’t that young anymore

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                #27
                Originally posted by northernladyuk View Post
                John Redwood says the UK holds all the cards.
                John Redwood is a liar. John Redwood has a £180,000 a year job as Chief Global Strategist with Charles Stanley, an investment management firm, who stands to make an absolute fortune over Brexit.

                John Redwood's preference for Brexit has that in mind. And yet the ordinary Ultra Brexiter man on the street thinks John Redwood is on their side. Quite the opposite, he is selling them down the river for his own personal financial gain, and the financial gain of his 'second job' employer.

                He is definitely not acting in the interests of the country, which you'd think would be his primary interest as an MP.
                Taking a break from contracting

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by woohoo View Post
                  People from the EU can enter the uk then they only need to get any kind of job within 3 months. If the job pay is low then they can claim benefits.

                  They can also then bring their family over.

                  Now i agree border checks for criminals etc is important but that isn't going to stop the mass movement of people from country to another.
                  This loophole is entirely the responsibility and choosing of the UK government and stupid local authorities who for unknown reason did not implement the EU regulations.

                  It does not work the same way in other EU countries.

                  I have worked in several EU countries and I can tell you the criteria.

                  Entry up to three months, you must have enough money to support yourself (even for a holiday).

                  If you want to stay more than three months you must register with the local authority or police.

                  You must open a bank account and show that you have sufficient funds to support yourself.

                  You must have job that pays enough to support you for accommodation, food etc; you cannot claim benefits.

                  As a condition of staying in that country, you must declare that you will not claim any benefits.

                  When I worked in Germany, they required a £3k deposit to make sure I paid tax at the end of the contract along with a declaration that I will not claim benefits at the end.

                  The UK is sloppy and just blames the EU
                  "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George Orwell

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by woohoo View Post
                    The EU doesn't need to provide a deal to the UK and it works the other way. This 27 and 1 are idiotic sayings, the EU is ran by Germany and France.
                    In trade terms you are correct, the EU doesn't need to provide a deal to the UK. They are 27 markets losing 1 customer. The UK is one market losing 27 customers.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by woohoo View Post
                      Please tell me what successive UK governments could have realistically done to limit freedom of movement?

                      The EU doesn't need to provide a deal to the UK and it works the other way. This 27 and 1 are idiotic sayings, the EU is ran by Germany and France.
                      Introduce ID cards (as SE has already mentioned) and a proper working border system. Although they would have got Steria & CSC to do this, and it would now be working about as well as a chocolate kettle. In fact the Steria deal was for the ID card and database only, there was no mention of a link to the UKBA system.
                      His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...

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