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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper View Post
    It surprises me how many of the ultra-Brexiters that look forward to a no deal scenario, think that no deal means we'll end up with deals.

    No deal means:
    * no flights between UK and EU.
    * no trade of services (WTO covers goods, not services)
    * limited trade in goods under so-called WTO rules
    * no trade in livestock or meat
    * no recognition of UK driving licences
    * no mutual recognition of standards (i.e. we could recognise EU standards, but they wouldn't recognise ours. For example, cars built in the UK would not be built to a recognised EU standard, even if our standards are the same as EU standards. Therefore would not be allowed on EU roads).
    * no trade in pharmateuticals or chemicals due to lack of recognition of standards.
    * many more things preceded by 'no'.

    If we have deals for any or all of those things, then by definition that is not 'no deal'. If the UK introduces laws that say we'll treat EU things as if they are UK things, then that just means the EU companies could trade with us whilst UK companies could not trade with the EU.

    And if there is no deal, why are the EU worried about rights of EU citizens in the UK? No EU citizen would want to be here.

    And herein lies the problem. There are many things about the EU that are a good thing. There are some really terrible things, mainly the path to political integration (the thing that remainers are in denial about, despite evidence to the contrary). It would be a shame to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and there really should be a solution where we can have a close relationship with the EU, but be outside it from a political standpoint.
    Meanwhile, the mood of the remaining EU countries has changed to 'what businesses can we gain from the UK when they leave". They are now using Brexit as an opportunity at the cost of the UK.

    Brexit is a one way street to nowhere. There in no turning back and businesses will have been lost to Europe forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper View Post
    No deal means:
    * no flights between UK and EU.
    * no trade of services (WTO covers goods, not services)
    * no recognition of UK driving licences
    Just out of interest, for the points listed above - do you believe that;

    All EU citizens currently residing in the UK will be unable to 'get home' to the EU and effectively become unwilling hostages in the UK?
    All EU citizens currently residing in the UK will be unable to access/transfer their money between the UK and the EU and vice-versa (since banking is a service)?
    That the EU doesn't/won't recognise the International Driving Permit/License (currently 5.50 a pop)?

    Also, as a follow-up to the first two questions;
    That the EU will let that happen to 'their citizens' in those two instances?
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    'NEED is the same as WANT, it's pedantry to say there's a difference'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bean View Post
    All EU citizens currently residing in the UK will be unable to 'get home' to the EU and effectively become unwilling hostages in the UK?
    It is possible to travel without flying. There are boats and trains. In fact in some places it is possible to go from the UK to EU by car or walking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bean View Post
    All EU citizens currently residing in the UK will be unable to access/transfer their money between the UK and the EU and vice-versa (since banking is a service)?
    Most transactions these days, including cash withdrawals, are done using credit or debit cards.
    As for your concept of banking being a "service", there's a difference between the commercial financial services industry and personal banking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bean View Post
    That the EU doesn't/won't recognise the International Driving Permit/License (currently 5.50 a pop)?
    Sure, the EU currently recognises the IDP, the EU isn't the one that is quitting, it's the UK that is quitting the EU.
    ou're always keen to challenge how the EU will react. They are big enough and can work that out themselves. How will the UK act?
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    Scotland is waiting for the UK to implode then will launch the lifeboat that is #indyref2. Not long to go now...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Batcher View Post
    Scotland is waiting for the UK to implode then will launch the lifeboat that is #indyref2. Not long to go now...

    Another 3 weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFH View Post
    It is possible to travel without flying. There are boats and trains. In fact in some places it is possible to go from the UK to EU by car or walking.
    Yes, but not always expedient in comparison to flight, for the desired destination, e.g. England > Bulgaria
    The question was asking (Chopper as the poster), if he thinks the EU will allow EU citizens to be deprived of using Planes by agreeing no deal


    Quote Originally Posted by WTFH View Post
    Most transactions these days, including cash withdrawals, are done using credit or debit cards.
    As for your concept of banking being a "service", there's a difference between the commercial financial services industry and personal banking.
    https://www.ft.com/content/ceea2c78-...2-0c7211ef3198 The financial times must be eh?

    So, will the EU let that happen? (I'm sure the UK will be very happy to have the EU rubber stamp capital ringfencing of EU citizens money in the UK )

    Quote Originally Posted by WTFH View Post
    Sure, the EU currently recognises the IDP, the EU isn't the one that is quitting, it's the UK that is quitting the EU.
    ou're always keen to challenge how the EU will react. They are big enough and can work that out themselves. How will the UK act?
    It's more of a 'we can just get IDPs if they don't want to recognise the UK DLs' - so the point made by chopper could be relatively moot....

    Thanks for attempting to address the questions though
    Last edited by Bean; 9th November 2017 at 14:09.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotAllThere View Post
    Kind of... except if Corbyn gets in we'll be even more fsked. May is the worst Prime Minister we've had for decades. Corbyn would be worse.
    Indeded. Since Thatcher it has been a total shower.

    Tough decisions need to be taken and stop kicking the can down the road.

    May will never get re-elected : so she might as well take the tough decisions and hope for a Falklands factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrilloPad View Post
    Indeded. Since Thatcher it has been a total shower.

    Tough decisions need to be taken and stop kicking the can down the road.

    May will never get re-elected : so she might as well take the tough decisions and hope for a Falklands factor.
    Very true. If it wasn't for the Falklands, Thatcher would never have got a second term and wouldn't have taken control.

    But who will the UK go to war against?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFH View Post
    Very true. If it wasn't for the Falklands, Thatcher would never have got a second term and wouldn't have taken control.

    But who will the UK go to war against?
    Scotland

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBates View Post
    Scotland

    No thanks. Scotland has nukes.
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