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    Default In case you missed it, Hammond has caved in. Hard Brexit it is.

    Philip Hammond has 'come to heel' over Brexit as Theresa May returns, say anti-EU Conservatives | The Independent

    It's going to be entertaining for those of us who don't have to bear the consequences, but it's truly a sad outcome for the country as a whole.
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    This is the Tories ignoring the outcome of the last election - they will be punished for it followed by a split that will make Labour look like a well-oiled machine.
    And I fear, in the medium term, the real outcome will be a Corbyn win.
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    Well it is kind of what the majority of the Uk want be they in or out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by original PM View Post
    Well it is kind of what the majority of the Uk want be they in or out...

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/r...nGp#.nyAqEoWpV
    Stop it, stop it. A large number of Remainers have become thick as mince too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasguru View Post
    This is the Tories ignoring the outcome of the last election
    The outcome being that they had a far higher share of the vote than they've had since Thatcher in the early 80s, which ordinarily would have delivered a crushing majority?

    It turns out the referendum was a lose-lose scenario. If we voted to remain, that would have been incorrectly viewed as acceptance of the EU push towards further political integration and ultimately a single country called Europe. If we voted to leave, there was no 'stay in the EEA' option, and so the Tories are therefore pushing towards the only other option available - 'leave the EU and the EEA'.

    What really grinds my gears about the ultra-Brexiters (and saying this as someone who voted to leave) is their whole 'cake and eat it' attitude. The fact is, they want WTO rules and the WTO rules are that the EU cannot treat the UK differently than any other country it deals with on a WTO basis. So it wont be the EU saying "no, you can't sell your food to us, this is us being spiteful", it is Britain saying "we want to leave the EU, which will make us a non-EU country, and therefore we will be bound to the EU's rules on dealing with non-EU countries". By WTO rules, the EU is not allowed anything else without a comprehensive treaty.

    The quicker the thick, pig headed, ultra ignorant ultra-Brexiters get this (and unfortunately the media who steered them down that path will not be correcting them any time soon) the better. I'm fairly sure all the politicians get this, and playing dumb on this keeps the morons on their side.

    Three options only:

    Remain in the EU
    Leave the EU, join EFTA and remain in the EEA. We continue playing football.
    Leave the EU, leave the EEA. And that means Britain decided it wasn't playing any more, so the EU is taking its ball home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper View Post
    What really grinds my gears about the ultra-Brexiters (and saying this as someone who voted to leave) is their whole 'cake and eat it' attitude. The fact is, they want WTO rules and the WTO rules are that the EU cannot treat the UK differently than any other country it deals with on a WTO basis. So it wont be the EU saying "no, you can't sell your food to us, this is us being spiteful", it is Britain saying "we want to leave the EU, which will make us a non-EU country, and therefore we will be bound to the EU's rules on dealing with non-EU countries". By WTO rules, the EU is not allowed anything else without a comprehensive treaty.
    Doesn't this sum up the problem with the lumbering beast that is the EU. It makes the rules so it can change the rules, but it seems hell bent on sticking to certain ideological principles despite disastrous consequences.

    Anyway, this thread was far more fun when people weren't being serious.

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