In case you missed it, Hammond has caved in. Hard Brexit it is.
+ Reply to Thread
Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 2 3 4
Posts 31 to 38 of 38
  1. #31

    Fingers like lightning


    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    755
    Thanks (Given)
    2
    Thanks (Received)
    73
    Likes (Given)
    5
    Likes (Received)
    266

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by northernladyuk View Post
    [2] Leave the EU, join EFTA and remain in the EEA.


    Do all EU states have to ratify this or just EFTA states?
    We are already EEA members, so actually remaining in the EEA is trivial. As for (re)joining EFTA, I think that would need ratification - but only four countries to contend with. The dilemma is that the current total EFTA population is about 1/4 of the population of the UK. The GDP of the UK is several times larger than the GDP of the existing EFTA members combined (although the UK has the lowest GDP per capita). The UK's membership of EFTA would massively change its dynamic. Would we expect an equal say, or a greater say given our larger population and GDP and therefore what we bring to the table?

  2. #32

    More fingers than teeth

    darmstadt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    The Eurozone
    Posts
    13,369
    Thanks (Given)
    39
    Thanks (Received)
    326
    Likes (Given)
    188
    Likes (Received)
    1281

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by chopper View Post
    We are already EEA members, so actually remaining in the EEA is trivial. As for (re)joining EFTA, I think that would need ratification - but only four countries to contend with. The dilemma is that the current total EFTA population is about 1/4 of the population of the UK. The GDP of the UK is several times larger than the GDP of the existing EFTA members combined (although the UK has the lowest GDP per capita). The UK's membership of EFTA would massively change its dynamic. Would we expect an equal say, or a greater say given our larger population and GDP and therefore what we bring to the table?
    The old EEA subject again. There's no real point in being in the EEA and not in the EU, the EEA agreement covers the adoption of EU legislation in the agreed policy areas including the four freedoms, but not areas including policies such as those relating to agriculture, social and employment law, justice and home affairs.

    The EEA comes with being bound by the bulk of EU legislation, being part of the EEA does not enable non-EU members to vote when decisions are made and laws are passed about how the single market operates.
    EEA membership comes with the right to sit on certain committees and comment on some areas of EU policy only - members have no formal say on what gets decided.

    Also, the financial services sector could also be hampered by the lack of cohesion regarding regulation across the single market that sees members unable to sell their services across all single market members.

    In fact, if the UK were do as the Norwegians do and participate through membership of the EEA, the UK will have to pay to access the single market by contributing to the EU through an EEA grant - and the cost is significant.
    Indeed, despite not having a say in its legislation, the UK would still be one of the biggest funders of the EU.

    Wouldn't really gain much...
    Pants are no good unless they stick to the wall after you've taken them off.

  3. #33

    Old Greg is my bitch's bitch

    northernladyuk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Working the streets of your imagination
    Posts
    7,936
    Thanks (Given)
    1088
    Thanks (Received)
    571
    Likes (Given)
    396
    Likes (Received)
    2218

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by darmstadt View Post
    The old EEA subject again. There's no real point in being in the EEA and not in the EU, the EEA agreement covers the adoption of EU legislation in the agreed policy areas including the four freedoms, but not areas including policies such as those relating to agriculture, social and employment law, justice and home affairs.

    The EEA comes with being bound by the bulk of EU legislation, being part of the EEA does not enable non-EU members to vote when decisions are made and laws are passed about how the single market operates.
    EEA membership comes with the right to sit on certain committees and comment on some areas of EU policy only - members have no formal say on what gets decided.

    Also, the financial services sector could also be hampered by the lack of cohesion regarding regulation across the single market that sees members unable to sell their services across all single market members.

    In fact, if the UK were do as the Norwegians do and participate through membership of the EEA, the UK will have to pay to access the single market by contributing to the EU through an EEA grant - and the cost is significant.
    Indeed, despite not having a say in its legislation, the UK would still be one of the biggest funders of the EU.

    Wouldn't really gain much...
    There is on point in leaving the EU. This is damage limitation. But I think UK is going to screw this up much more than that.
    Where there's muck there's brass.

  4. #34

    Double Godlike!

    BlasterBates's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Trump University
    Posts
    11,307
    Thanks (Given)
    81
    Thanks (Received)
    251
    Likes (Given)
    458
    Likes (Received)
    839

    Default

    Nigel Farage on LBC infuriated and claiming that the proposed transitional arrangement is the beginning of the great Brexit betrayal..

    Author of the best seller "How to get Poor quickly"

  5. #35

    I live on CUK

    SueEllen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    in the Park
    Posts
    27,716
    Thanks (Given)
    1382
    Thanks (Received)
    1115
    Likes (Given)
    4481
    Likes (Received)
    4140

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBates View Post
    Nigel Farage on LBC infuriated and claiming that the proposed transitional arrangement is the beginning of the great Brexit betrayal..

    How does he expect us to get out in 2 years?
    "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

  6. #36

    Old Greg is my bitch's bitch

    northernladyuk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Working the streets of your imagination
    Posts
    7,936
    Thanks (Given)
    1088
    Thanks (Received)
    571
    Likes (Given)
    396
    Likes (Received)
    2218

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBates View Post
    Nigel Farage on LBC infuriated and claiming that the proposed transitional arrangement is the beginning of the great Brexit betrayal..

    Wouldn’t it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They’re rich. They’re happy. They’re self-governing.

    Nigel Farage, Ukip leader
    Where there's muck there's brass.

  7. #37

    Fingers like lightning


    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    755
    Thanks (Given)
    2
    Thanks (Received)
    73
    Likes (Given)
    5
    Likes (Received)
    266

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBates View Post
    Nigel Farage on LBC infuriated and claiming that the proposed transitional arrangement is the beginning of the great Brexit betrayal..

    If we're out of the EU, but in a way that makes Farage mad, then that's a good thing.

  8. #38

    Old Greg is my bitch's bitch

    northernladyuk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Working the streets of your imagination
    Posts
    7,936
    Thanks (Given)
    1088
    Thanks (Received)
    571
    Likes (Given)
    396
    Likes (Received)
    2218

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by chopper View Post
    If we're out of the EU, but in a way that makes Farage mad, then that's a good thing.
    He's threatened to put on a brown shirt and arm himself.
    Where there's muck there's brass.

+ Reply to Thread
Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 2 3 4

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.