Contracting in Belgium - A Short Guide to Tax and Social Security
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    Quote Originally Posted by SueEllen View Post
    Also you are taxed on day one if working in that country.

    This thread contains old loop holes that won't be valid anymore

    Fair answer but if this is the case does that mean the UK engineers sent to do work on client side abroad should pay tax in that country for the 2 months?

    Sure I understand what the "legal" side says but how would any government taxman be able to actually pick you out of a line and say that you need to pay taxes without you telling them the specifics? You are just a resource doing work on behalf of another entity. I had coders come from India working for the sister company in the UK, they paid no taxes here, the company was paying for all expenses not the individual. They had allowances and the salaries were paid in India.

    Same principle as if you worked on a Cruise Ship... do you pay taxes in every country the cruise ships ports? Based on what you say, you should as you do at least 1 day of work in each country the ship stops.

    Does the UK or any country have a grasp on the number of people in their country? Of course not... reason why economical migration cannot be controlled anymore by EU countries.

    I think it comes down to the contracts. If EU company has a contract for "professional services" with a UK company... that's it. The UK company does whatever it sees fit to get the work done. The UK company gets paid for those services, pays their employees wages, VAT and Corporation Tax. If Belgium wants to control foreigners coming working and not paying tax maybe the EU needs to split and each country to require visas again.


    Plenty of foreign cars are not supposed to stay in UK more than 1 year, or people not able to use their EU Licenses to drive in UK longer than 1 year... however plenty still do 10 years later if they wish to do so.

    Simple as that, you go to Belgium, there is no record of you being there... as far as anyone knows you are an employee of a UK company, getting paid in the UK, paying your taxes in the UK, living in the UK... even if you wanted to claim UK TAX back due to working abroad, you can only do that if you are working abroad for a full TAX year, as in star work before 5th April and stay in that country until next April. If you get a gig in August 2017 let's say you would have to stay in Belgium until April 2019 to be eligible for expat status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drei View Post
    Fair answer but if this is the case does that mean the UK engineers sent to do work on client side abroad should pay tax in that country for the 2 months?

    Sure I understand what the "legal" side says but how would any government taxman be able to actually pick you out of a line and say that you need to pay taxes without you telling them the specifics? You are just a resource doing work on behalf of another entity. I had coders come from India working for the sister company in the UK, they paid no taxes here, the company was paying for all expenses not the individual. They had allowances and the salaries were paid in India.

    Same principle as if you worked on a Cruise Ship... do you pay taxes in every country the cruise ships ports? Based on what you say, you should as you do at least 1 day of work in each country the ship stops.

    Does the UK or any country have a grasp on the number of people in their country? Of course not... reason why economical migration cannot be controlled anymore by EU countries.

    I think it comes down to the contracts. If EU company has a contract for "professional services" with a UK company... that's it. The UK company does whatever it sees fit to get the work done. The UK company gets paid for those services, pays their employees wages, VAT and Corporation Tax. If Belgium wants to control foreigners coming working and not paying tax maybe the EU needs to split and each country to require visas again.


    Plenty of foreign cars are not supposed to stay in UK more than 1 year, or people not able to use their EU Licenses to drive in UK longer than 1 year... however plenty still do 10 years later if they wish to do so.

    Simple as that, you go to Belgium, there is no record of you being there... as far as anyone knows you are an employee of a UK company, getting paid in the UK, paying your taxes in the UK, living in the UK... even if you wanted to claim UK TAX back due to working abroad, you can only do that if you are working abroad for a full TAX year, as in star work before 5th April and stay in that country until next April. If you get a gig in August 2017 let's say you would have to stay in Belgium until April 2019 to be eligible for expat status.
    Doesn't make any of that legal does it though? All depends how risk averse you are, pulling the wool over the eyes of the Estonian police by driving for longer than than legal is nothing and the consequences are small, but defrauding tax and illegal residency is criminal and if you get caught and it's getting more and more likely you will, its your warchest gone and possibly your liberty..

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    So if you were a permanent member of staff working for a UK consultancy company and they sent you to work on client site in Belgium for 6/8 months as they were implementing a new system, would you actually do anything besides go and do what you were told by your employer? I have done this in the past. When I worked for Fiat for example I was sent to Italy at IVECO for training and work. Was there a few months, did the same for US company, worked in their office in Ohio for over a month. Does that mean that I actually broke some TAX rules?

    Why would it be your responsibility to pay taxes in said country when your salary is paid in your UK bank account and you pay taxes in UK?

    I don't understand the logic of it. If my company was registered in Belgium sure, it would be my obligation but it isn't nor am I employing Belgian workforce. Same as others get Corp tax of %10 in Ireland, use Monaco or Gibraltar for tax purposes...

    If I sold goods online from UK to Belgium, where will my taxes on those goods have to be paid? Belgium where the buyers are or UK where the company is?
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    Default FYI 183 Day Rule Update

    First of all, big thanks for to Boo and Nordic - great information here, still reading, only up to page 32 (phew).

    Been doing research, they just ironed out the days thing, it now includes holidays, non working days (well in NL since it was a NL court). Not sure if this applies in Belgium.

    news.pwc.be/double-tax-treaty-belgium-netherlands-application-183-days-rul/

    Admin, you please upgrade me to PM, suspect I will need it soon, after reading the remaining 19 pages. Thanking you.

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