Umbrellas Doomed? - Page 3

The Lone Gunman · 24th July 2008, 09:06

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Originally Posted by TheBigYinJames

I know, I've worked on MILSPEC projects as well, and they drag on for years, sometimes decades. I was working on a FRES military vehicle that is not due to be deployed until 2018, FFS

The treasury might argue that if they need a 2-3-5 year commitment from a 'temporary worker/company', they are actually employing that worker/company on a permanent basis. I think this is wrong, but it's harder to argue against.

They seem to accept that EDSs workers are temporary!

As I said before, they plain do not understand us (or do not accept us). They have set out to see us as employees and will twist the viewpoint to make it so.

Advocate · 24th July 2008, 09:13

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

TBYJ: Just on the expenses rule bit.
I work on some of the biggest military (and other) programmes in Europe. Some of my clients want a design to delivery commitment. How long do you think it takes (for example) to put a new sat nav system including all mission data into a helicopter?2 years is not enough for some projects and some of my clients know this. Some even put rates up to compensate because they want us to stay, others just bite the bullet and spend 6 months training the next guy.

We all have different set ups. Some can do 2 week stints some of us cant. HMRC and NL want to see us as a catch all and it just does not work.

According to the adverts, Halfords could do it in a jiffy...

TheBigYinJames · 24th July 2008, 09:15

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Originally Posted by Advocate

According to the adverts, Halfords could do it in a jiffy...

That explains the porno mags in their staff toilets.

The Lone Gunman · 24th July 2008, 09:26

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Originally Posted by Advocate

According to the adverts, Halfords could do it in a jiffy...

Ha Ha :-).
But Halfords arent writing the Sat Nav software are they.

FiveTimes · 24th July 2008, 09:26

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Ha Ha :-).
But Halfords arent writing the Sat Nav software are they.

Download it from torrent sites

NotAllThere · 24th July 2008, 11:41

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

They seem to accept that EDSs workers are temporary!

Do they?

Does anyone know of a case where EDS employees have been claiming expenses and those expenses have been tax deductable/the tax hasn't been picked up by EDS when the employee has been on site for more than two years?

The Lone Gunman · 24th July 2008, 11:51

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Originally Posted by NotAllThere

Do they?

Does anyone know of a case where EDS employees have been claiming expenses and those expenses have been tax deductable/the tax hasn't been picked up by EDS when the employee has been on site for more than two years?

That is out of context. We were discussing the view that a long term contract seems to be seen as temporary for EDS guys but not us. Not the 2 year rule at all.
HOWEVER
I suspect that when they change the rules on expenses it wont affect EDS guys.

NotAllThere · 24th July 2008, 12:18

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

That is out of context...

Why is out of context?

If EDS guys can claim T&S, and it's tax deductable, then how are they evading the law as it stands now? There's 3 possibilities:

1. They're breaking the law
2. EDS are picking up the employees tax charge
3. They've found a way round

Further, it seems to me difficult to change the rules on expenses in such a way that EDS won't be affected, but we will.

On what basis do you state that the government hold the view that

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a long term contract seems to be seen as temporary for EDS guys but not us.

malvolio · 24th July 2008, 12:27

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Originally Posted by NotAllThere

Why is out of context?

If EDS guys can claim T&S, and it's tax deductable, then how are they evading the law as it stands now? There's 3 possibilities:

1. They're breaking the law
2. EDS are picking up the employees tax charge
3. They've found a way round

Further, it seems to me difficult to change the rules on expenses in such a way that EDS won't be affected, but we will.

On what basis do you state that the government hold the view that

However, you might find EDS's people are permies and have a genuine and easily recognisable home office. Which greatly simplifies the "remote location" question...

The Lone Gunman · 24th July 2008, 12:28

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Originally Posted by NotAllThere

Why is out of context?

If EDS guys can claim T&S, and it's tax deductable, then how are they evading the law as it stands now? There's 3 possibilities:

1. They're breaking the law
2. EDS are picking up the employees tax charge
3. They've found a way round

Further, it seems to me difficult to change the rules on expenses in such a way that EDS won't be affected, but we will.

On what basis do you state that the government hold the view that

It is out of context because at that point we were not discussing expenses at all. Read the post I was responding to. We were pointing out that an EDS guy can be on site for as long as he likes and not be regarded as an employee of the client, he will never be subjected to an IR35 investigation yet a contractor could be regarded as such and may be investigated REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY CAN CLAIM EXPENSES.

I agree that it will be difficult to change the law to only touch us but you may note that the consultation only points to brollies and agents, not headlease companies.